Examination of Witnesses (Questions 12120
12120. LADY BRIGHT: That would be very
helpful because there is information required.
12121. CHAIRMAN: Then you can sum-up
at the end on the basis of what is left.
12122. LADY BRIGHT: Precisely. So just
hand over at this point, really, you are saying.
12123. CHAIRMAN: Have you got another
12124. LADY BRIGHT: We have two witnesses
but they are really here and available because I thought that
Crossrail was probably going to raise certain questions on this
and your Lordships might be interested in getting the information
directly from them. Mr Hessenberg's wife gave evidence in front
of the House of Commons on the peculiar effects of the freight
trains as they pass by a certain group of houses in the street.
It was to demonstrate, really, that there is a concern about what
is going on under the ground. Mr Rupert Taylor, the noise expert
for Crossrail, has pointed out that the way the noise works shows
that there may be made-up ground or discontinuities underneath
that we have not looked at yet. I am not going to raise the issue
of settlement; we know we are covered by what all the other Petitioners
and the local authorities have been doing on settlement, but I
just wanted to indicate to you that both above the groundnoise
in the airand below we have not had the detailed studies
yet. So Mr Hessenberg is available to answer questions on that
and, also, deal with Network Rail, but I do not want to clog your
process up too far by calling him, unless you wish to hear him.
12125. CHAIRMAN: It is your Petition
and you present it in such a way as you think fit.
12126. LADY BRIGHT: I would like to leave
the footbridge until last because I know that some of you, Lord
Jones in particular, had some information you wanted dealt with
and we have brought it with us and we can deal with that on an
information basis. Might I call Ian Hessenberg.
HESSENBERG, sworn Examined
by LADY BRIGHT
12127. LADY BRIGHT: On the question of
dealing with Network Rail and its predecessors, you probably have
had more direct noise effects than anyone else in the street over
the years of the railway; yes?
Yes, we were sound-monitored by the Council on several occasions
and they said that the decibel levels were way too high but there
was nothing they could do about it because they had no jurisdiction
over Railtrack. Is it Railtrack or
12128. At any rate, you have got files of correspondence?
(Mr Hessenberg) Yes, it was an absolute
dead end there.
12129. LORD JAMES OF BLACKHEATH: As this
is a GPS map could we possibly pinpoint precisely Mr Hessenberg's
12130. LADY BRIGHT: Number 60.
12131. LORD JAMES OF BLACKHEATH: The
other map was GPS and it would be helpful to get the address.
It is more or less bang in the middle.
12132. CHAIRMAN: What about one of those
12133. MS LIEVEN: I am afraid I do not
know which house it is, Sir.
I am pretty bad at maps but it is bang in the middle. That is
the footbridge there and the Brights are here; we are about here.
12134. LADY BRIGHT: Can you point out
the two churches, the Buddhists at the left end?
Is it there, that one?
12135. LADY BRIGHT: And down at the other
end the Baptists.
Then there is the Baptist Church there.
12136. Both of them are sites that do require
a lower decibel level of noise because of specially sensitive
(Mr Hessenberg) That is Elsie Lane, is
it not, so we are here?
12137. LORD JAMES OF BLACKHEATH: Thank
you very much.
12138. LADY BRIGHT: You can see where
the footbridge is. Also we need to point out that the Underground
trains, the Hammersmith & City trains go under the main lines.
Can you see where that is?
About there, I think that is the portal.
12139. LADY BRIGHT: Yes, that is right,
so there is already a discontinuity in the ground.
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