Examination of Witnesses (Questions 12260
12260. MS LIEVEN: Yes, my Lord, we have
still got noise and the wall issue. I do not know if that is the
end of the Association's evidence.
12261. CHAIRMAN: Is that all your evidence?
12262. LADY BRIGHT: Our main concern
is that we get some more information, which we will get from the
Promoter's team on precisely what the framework is, whether Network
Rail is, for example, bound by the noise code and everything else,
so clearly fundamental information like that.
12263. CHAIRMAN: What are you talking
about, the wall?
12264. LADY BRIGHT: Not on the wall.
Do you want me just to focus on the wall at this point?
12265. CHAIRMAN: I just want to know
what you are talking about, what topic.
12266. LADY BRIGHT: I have done what
I can on going through the headings of the items that we are concerned
about. I have asked for information from the Promoter on how to
deal with this overlap between Network Rail and Crossrail and
I cannot really make a proposition as to exactly what we are asking
for if I do not know what the information is. Would it be better
to go straight to their evidence?
12267. CHAIRMAN: Have you got any more
12268. LADY BRIGHT: No.
12269. CHAIRMAN: If you have not then
the next thing to do is to invite Ms Lieven to call Mr Thornely-Taylor
on the noise and Mr Berryman on walls.
12270. MS LIEVEN: Certainly, my Lord.
I was going to call Mr Berryman first to explain the engineering
and then Mr Thornely-Taylor to explain the consequences of the
BERRYMAN, recalled Examined
by MS LIEVEN
12271. MS LIEVEN: My Lords, there are
two issues which are outstanding: one is the noise from the trains
going into the batching plant and the other is the noise barrier
issue. Let us start with the noise source, which is the noise
from the trains going into the batching plant and the works that
Crossrail are doing in this location. Mr Berryman, can we turn
to the site plan, which I think is 027, and can you just start
off by explaining on that in broad terms what is happening in
this location and then we will come to look in detail at where
the EWS trains are going to go?
(Mr Berryman) Could
I have the next one, please? I have got the wrong numbers on my
exhibits. That is 028.
The works in this area consist of the tunnel portal and a ventilation
shaft just here (indicating). The tunnel portal is where the tracks
emerge into fresh air; in other words, there is air above them
and at that point the tracks will be about seven metres or so
below ground level. The section between what we call the tunnel
portal, which is where the trains emerge into the air, and the
tunnel eye, which is down here (indicating) --- The tunnel eye
is where the actual tunnelling starts because to tunnel you have
to have a certain amount of ground over the top of the tunnel
otherwise the tunnel falls in; it does not work. We have to construct
a section of that in cut and cover where we dig a big hole out
and then we put a concrete slab over the top of it and the trains
will come up through there and emerge into daylight here (indicating).
Could we have number 027?
They will arise up from that portal to a point about here where
they will be at ground level. They will be in an eight metre deep
trench down here somewhere rising up to being at ground level
at this point (indicating).
12272. Just stopping there, in respect of Lady
Bright's house, which is just over here, what is the effect of
the fact that the train is dropping down in towards the portal?
(Mr Berryman) That will provide to some
extent a shielding of the noise. Most of the noise generated by
trainsMr Thornely-Taylor is an expert on this but I know
a little bit about itis at the rear wheel rail interface
or from the electrical plant which is underneath the train. The
noise tends to come from a lower point on these kinds of electrical
multiple units. As the trains go down into that trench a lot of
the noise will be shielded. This is in contrast to the diesel
trains which are used for freight and for the high speed train
where the noise is generated near the top of the vehicle.
12273. CHAIRMAN: It is the exhaust stops,
is it not?
It is the exhaust noise, yes.
12274. MS LIEVEN: Lady Bright made some
mention of constraints for the construction of Crossrail going
along these tracks past Westbourne Park. Can you just explain
what is going on there?
During the construction of the tunnels the excavated material
from the tunnels will be brought out from underground by a conveyer
and it will be delivered to a point here (indicating), more or
less where the artists' studios are at the present time and from
there it will be loaded onto trains and the furthest those freight
trains will come down is approximately here, very close to the
footbridge that we spent a little time talking about. There will
not be any of those kind of freight trains going down here. What
there will be will be small, narrow gauge trains which are used
for the delivery of concrete segments and other materials into
the tunnel and there will be about three or four of those a day,
they will be fairly slow moving as compared with ordinary trains,
so they generate correspondingly less noise in that respect.
12275. CHAIRMAN: What are they powered
by? Are they diesel?
Yes. They will be going down into that trench --- Sometimes they
are powered by battery. On the Jubilee Line we used entirely battery
power, so it can be done with batteries. We have not specified
what the builder must use.
12276. BARONESS FOOKES: Will that be
Batteries would be quieter. The diesel trains are not like big
mainline locomotives; they are relatively small units. The tendency
is to go to more electric and battery power simply because of
the regulations about nitrous oxide in the air and it is very
difficult to control that in tunnelling. It could go either way.
In either case I would not have thought it would be particularly
12277. MS LIEVEN: Let us move on to the
batching plant trains. I am going to leave it to you to explain
by reference to the exhibits what is happening in respect to these
(Mr Berryman) Unless your Lordships want, I do not think
a full explanation of the train operations in this area would
be a very useful use of your time. I am happy to do that if you
want, but I think perhaps a brief resume would be more sensible.
Could I have number 010 up, please?
Number 10 is an aerial photograph of the site. I think it is worth
mentioning whilst this one is still up that this is the site of
the existing batching plant. Where it says "Proposed discharge
hopper" is the existing site of the artists' studios. You
can see a line here where it says "End of headshunt in new
proposals" and that is the furthest point at which diesel
locomotives will be able to go in the new arrangements and you
can see down here "End of headshunts in the existing situation".
The current freight trains which are delivering to the batching
plant come down the mainline, turn into the sidings and go right
down to here and then they manoeuvre and bring the train back
into short sections to be unloaded here. What will happen in the
new arrangements is that the furthest point that the locos will
come to is here (indicating). They will not be able to go beyond
there because the corridor is not wide enough. We have devised,
together with colleagues from the operating side, the method of
working with this and established that this does work quite satisfactorily.
People who live down this road here will no longer have the diesel
trains going backwards and forwards in front of them. As has been
mentioned earlier, some of these trains run at night. They are
not particularly frequent. We believe there are only about three
a week. At least they will be gone.
12278. Let us move on to the issue of the noise
barrier, please. Can you just explain what work we have done in
respect of the height of the noise barrier that would be required
and the difficulties of providing that?
(Mr Berryman) Could I have number 024, please?
The wall which currently exists on this road is a brick wall built
probably in Edwardian times. We have had our structural engineers
do some calculations
12279. Can I just stop you for a moment so we
understand what we are looking at? On this plan the yellow is
the existing wall, is that right?
(Mr Berryman) That is correct, the yellow
is the existing wall. This is the road here with the residences
on the other side (indicating). The railway is cutting down here
and the wall is partly a brick retaining wall and then partly
the wall which you can see from Westbourne Park, which I think
most members of the Committee saw when we went down on the visit.
We have done an analysis of that in accordance with BS5628, which
is the appropriate British Standard, which shows that it has a
safety factor at present of about 1.4; in other words, the stresses
induced in the wall are greater than the loads which one experiences
by a factor of about 1.4. The wall is not going to fall over.
We did some calculations of the impact of extending the wall just
by sticking something on the top which is four metres high and
we came there to a figure that the wall would be overloaded by
a factor of eight; in other words, the stresses induced in the
wall would be eight times the permissible stresses.
12 Crossrail Ref: P79, Royal Oak Portal-Crossrail
proposals (WESTCC-56_04-028) Back
Crossrail Ref: P79, Westbourne Park-Crossrail proposals (WESTCC-56_04-027) Back
Crossrail Ref: P79, Proposed positions of Tarmac Topmix discharge
hopper, existing and new headshunts (WESTCC-40_04-010) Back
Crossrail Ref: P79, Schematic details for an Acoustic Wall (Provisional)