Examination of Witnesses (Questions 12300
12300. I know from personal experience: I have
a wall and I have had it raised, and there was a point beyond
which we could not go but the foundations were sufficiently strong,
actually, to put numerous layers on top of the existing wall.
(Mr Berryman) If a masonry structure is
taking a purely vertical load, the weight of the wall, you can
built it very, very high indeed, but it will soon blow over, I
am afraid, my Lord.
12301. I am in Brighton with very strong winds
indeed and it has not blown over so far, and I was assured it
would not blow over.
(Mr Berryman) How tall is it, my Lord?
12302. It is under the statutory height of two
(Mr Berryman) My Lord, this wall is already
2.5 metres tall.
12303. LORD BROOKE OF ALVERTHORPE: Point
12304. MS LIEVEN: I think, perhaps, we
will leave that wall where it is. Mr Berryman, I think those are
all the issues I need to cover with you. Thank you very much.
12305. CHAIRMAN: Lady Bright, do you
want to ask any questions?
12306. LADY BRIGHT: I would like to ask
a few questions, please.
Cross-examined by LADY
12307. LADY BRIGHT: Mr Berryman, if you
were needing to build a railway wall in this locationif
you were doing that now, in other wordsand you suggested
building it another metre-and-a-half or a couple of metres higher,
how differently would you specify the building of it?
In other words that would take it from 2.5 metres high, which
is the approximate height of the wall now, to four metres, we
would either do it in reinforced concrete, which obviously is
able to take tensile stresses as well as compressive, or we would
putprobably more likelyconcrete columns at intervals
along it, and then have the brick panels between the concrete
columns. It would be a different design altogether.
12308. So you do not think it is adaptable.
(Mr Berryman) The present design, which
is purely brick, unfortunately, is not adaptable in that way.
12309. Can you tell us what assumptions you
have made about the weight of the four-metre barrier you have
(Mr Berryman) The weight of the barrier
is actually immaterial, Lady Bright, because the loading of it
is easily able to be sustained by the brickworkthat is
absolutely no problem at all, as I have just explained to their
12310. It is purely the wind-loading we are
(Mr Berryman) It is the wind-loading which
is the issue.
12311. That wind-loading issue applies whatever
the height of the barrier?
(Mr Berryman) The wind-loading goes up,
as I said earlier, as the square of the height. So if you double
the height you increase the wind-loading four fold.
12312. I think you would accept that there would
be some argument about the acceptability of the wind-loading on
a lower barrier. We are only talking about a metre-and-a-half
(Mr Berryman) No, there would be no doubt
about that, Lady Bright; it is a matter of simple mathematics.
12313. One-and-a-half metres would reduce the
sound by 3 decibelshalve it.
(Mr Berryman) I could not comment on that,
Lady Bright. What I can tell you is that one-and-a-half metres
would make the wall fall over unless it was given substantial
foundations of some sort or another.
12314. The principal objection to that is cost.
(Mr Berryman) There are several objections.
There are objections of cost, there are objections on the Conservation
Area groundsI cannot imagine that Westminster City Council
would be relaxed about such an impact on the Conservation Area.
12315. You cannot speak for the local authority
(Mr Berryman) I cannot.
12316. LORD JAMES OF BLACKHEATH: A question
please, Mr Berryman. As compared to the wall going up, what are
the implications both in terms of its stability and its sound
resistance if it gets thicker?
Making the wall thicker, obviously, would make it more able to
sustain lateral loads, my Lord, but the point there would be that
you would have to find a way of bonding into the existing wall,
which is not particularly easy, and you would have
12317. Could you not have the facings?
(Mr Berryman) You would have to found
the additional thickness on something; you could not just stick
it on the front.
12318. You cannot just stick a facing on with
(Mr Berryman) I think the answer to that
question is almost certainly no. People have been experimenting
12319. I am intrigued by the qualification "almost".
(Mr Berryman) Well, the reason I say "almost
certainly" is that I know that one or two academic institutions
have been doing experiments with sticking carbon reinforced