Examination of Witnesses (Questions 12520
12520. The second point is the 15-metre rule.
Crossrail say my building will not qualify. Can we have JP2, please?
This is basically an old Mott McDonald engineers' drawing on which
I superimposed information: the Crossrail Engineers Assessments
Building Response Assessments, 1994. As Mr Winbourne said earlier,
in unrefuted minutes of evidence of my witness at the House of
Commons Select Committee. That is the Annex A, and was supplied
to me by Crossrail before the Crossrail Private Member's Bill
was slung out in 1994. I think Mr Winbourne has explained this
12521. I would now like to go to JP3, please.
12522. CHAIRMAN: Mr Payne, you said you
were going to tell us what you wanted us to do.
12523. MR PAYNE: Yes, I am just explaining
12524. CHAIRMAN: Can you not summarise
what it is you want us to do, and then go back and
12525. MR PAYNE: This will not take long.
I have a very short statement, really. It is not very long. I
am trying to compare the noise that I experience right now from
the Central Line, which is those yellow lines there.
12526. CHAIRMAN: Mr Payne, please, will
you listen to me? Will you tell us what you want us to do? You
can go back to explain why later, but let us start off with finding
out what it is that you are aiming for?
12527. MR PAYNE: I am trying to establish
that the measurements
12528. CHAIRMAN: You can establish anything
you like but tell us what you want us to do, as a Committee.
12529. MR PAYNE: Under the 15-metre rule,
if you consider that my explanations here are correct, as per
my expert witnesses explanations too, then my building does qualify
for floating slab track.
12530. CHAIRMAN: That is what you are
12531. MR PAYNE: Yes. I am sorry; I am
not an expert on this. I am trying to do the best I can.
12532. CHAIRMAN: That is the objective.
12533. MR PAYNE: Okay. So here we have
the Central Line running east and west. We have the running tunnels
of Crossrail going like that as well, and you can see my property
right there. This is really a hot-spot because there is noise
coming from all sorts of directions, and of course we get accumulative
noise, as we heard earlier this morning, from two different directions
which are almost at right angles to each other.
12534. LORD BROOKE OF ALVERTHORPE: Are
you saying that you can hear the Central Line?
12535. MR PAYNE: Yes, the yellow lines
here. I can hear a lot of noise coming from the Central Line and
it is a much smaller railway, as Mr Winbourne said earlier, if
you compare the size of tunnels and look at the Mott MacDonald
diagrams. I know the technology is different but I have a few
other exhibits later to show you what has been going on really
with the Central Line in comparison with the noise that I am experiencing.
12536. LORD BROOKE OF ALVERTHORPE: Is
there any evidence of the volume of the noise you are presenting
12537. MR PAYNE: I have my next-door
neighbour with me and as I go on I will explain an event that
happened about a year ago.
12538. LORD BROOKE OF ALVERTHORPE: Do
you have readings?
12539. MR PAYNE: No, but I have evidence
to show that some engineering works happened that altered the
sound and why it happened. Incidentally, the pink line and the
green line show the distances from my flat to the Central Line
and, as I say, the noise is quite considerable, and they are up
to 90 metres away, and I am saying basically these running tunnels
or the compensation grouting around them, and whatever fissures
that join all these things up, will end up much less than what
Crossrail say. There is a big difference in distance. I know the
track technology is slightly different but, all in all, the scale
of it would indicate there is going to be a much bigger sound
impact than what their models suggest.
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Committee Ref: A67, Plan of Hyde Park Gardens (including Stanhope
Terrace) showing distance to east bound and westbound tunnels
of the Central line (SCN-20080507-023) Back