Are the Lords listening? Creating connections between people and Parliament - Information Committee Contents


Memorandum by Bevan Brittan LLP

1.  INTRODUCTION

  1.1  This submission is made on behalf of Bevan Brittan LLP, a national law firm that delivers commercially astute legal advice to clients in three markets: Major Corporates, Health, and Communities and Local Government.

1.2  I am a Professional Support Lawyer in Bevan Brittan's Commercial Department. I am a qualified solicitor and I also hold a qualification in library and information studies. I have many years' experience in legal information and knowledge management work, and have worked for both commercial law firms and legal publishers.

1.3  I am part of the Public Sector Commercial team that acts for a large number of local authorities, health bodies and other public sector organisations. My role involves providing the team with a comprehensive and focused information and research service. I produce several email alerts, including the highly regarded fortnightly Authority Update that is sent to over 500 people in local authorities and associated public bodies.

  1.4  In particular, I keep a watching brief for developments that impact on the team's work. This includes tracking the progress through Parliament of new legislation that will affect our clients' business. I also carry out ad hoc research on policy and legislation. It is essential that our advice to clients is timely and accurate, so I need to be able to access the latest information on legislative developments quickly and easily.

  1.5  I am therefore very interested in the provision of information about Bills online and ways in which I can track developments more efficiently and effectively. In general, when using the parliamentary website for information on Bills, I know what I'm looking for so the following comments and suggestions are made on that basis.

2.  BILLS BEFORE PARLIAMENT WEB PAGE

  2.1  I find the Bills before Parliament web page (http://services.parliament.uk/bills/) extremely useful for tracking the progress of Bills. The new web page is a great improvement, particularly the timeline with links through to the relevant debates and committee proceedings in Hansard and to relevant documents such as House of Commons Library research papers.

2.2  It would be useful if the web page could also link through to the relevant Government Department's web page on each Bill, so giving easy access to the policy papers and consultations that lead up to the new legislation. There needs to be more joined up working between the departmental websites and the Parliament website.

  2.3  One major issue is how Hansard is published online. Proceedings are often spread over a number of html web pages which makes it extremely difficult to find the relevant parts of Hansard for discussions on particular clauses of a Bill, even with the link from the Bills page. For example, the Committee proceedings usually take several weeks but it is not possible to see which clauses were debated on which day without opening each Hansard link and scrolling down through each page. As each session can often be spread over a number of pages, it is very time consuming to find the relevant section.

  2.4  It would be easier if Hansard were in a different format, eg pdf, so that one could search the proceedings. Even better would be a clause by clause index, or if the Hansard debates were linked from the text of the Bill (see below, para 5.2). In addition, there should be a search facility for the whole of Hansard that enables one to search by date, type of proceedings, name of Bill, keywords, phrases, etc—at present, I often have to use Google to find relevant debates. This is completely contrary to the advice I give our trainees on how to find legal information, when I caution that Google should be the last resort!

3.  EXPLANATORY NOTES

  3.1  The Explanatory Notes are usually the first place I go to when trying to establish the scope and purpose of new legislation. The current trial of new formats being carried out with the Equality Bill is an interesting development and has great potential, but of the three formats being trialled, I find that only the interwoven version is at all useful.

3.2  Interleaving the Explanatory Notes with the text of the Bill would better if the Explanatory Notes came after the Bill text rather than before, and if they could be broken down into sub-clauses for long clauses. I envisage this as a link next to or after the clause which opens up the Notes for that clause, and which could be switched on or off for each clause or for the whole document.

  3.3  If the Notes are interleaved, then their numbering needs to be altered so that it matches each clause. The design and content of the Notes need to be re-thought so that their structure is more suited for online publication. Also, thought needs to be given to how they are printed out, so that the Bill is easily to read both online and when printed off.

  3.4  The Explanatory Notes will need to be updated with each new version of the Bill, so that they include all agreed amendments.

  3.5  It is still useful to have the Notes as one whole document, so there should be the option to download all the Notes for a Bill in pdf format.

4.  TEXT OF BILLS

  4.1  There are two issues regarding amendments to legislation: the effect of proposed new legislation on existing legislation, and how the text of a Bill is amended as it progresses through Parliament. This section discusses the first point; the second point is dealt with in para.5 below.

4.2  Many Bills are drafted so that their provisions amend existing legislation. Often the new provisions will change or insert just a few words or a sub-clause into an existing Act. This makes it very difficult to establish the effect of the Bill and get an overview of the new provisions.

  4.3  I agree with Lord Norton's comments on this point that are noted in his memorandum (http://www.parliament.uk/documents/upload/ppLordNorton.doc), and also his views presented to the Committee at their meeting on 6 May 2009. It would be very useful to have some sort of schedule showing the original legislation and how an amendment changes it, or a link through from the Bill to the original legislation.

  4.4  Where the original legislation has itself been amended a number of times before, any such link would need to be to the latest version of that legislation. The Statute Law Database could be used for this, although it would mean bringing it fully up to date—at present it only includes amendments made up to 2002.

5.  AMENDMENTS TO BILLS

  5.1  I agree with all of Lord Norton's comments on how it is a laborious exercise to see and work out the effect of amendments that have been tabled. I have great difficulty in understanding the marshalled lists of amendments. It would be very helpful if each amendment were linked to its appropriate clause.

5.2  I would like to see a link from the clause and the proposed amendment to the Hansard debates and proceedings, and a note of whether the amendment was agreed or not. For more comments on Hansard, see my comments above, paras 2.3 and 2.4.

  5.3  Once an amendment has been agreed, then the text of the Bill should be updated to show this. A decision would need to be made whether rejected amendments are still retained and how they are displayed—I am not usually concerned with this in my work as our clients want to know what they have to implement or comply with, rather than what the options were, but a lobbying group may well have different views on the ability to see what suggested amendments have been rejected and why.

  5.4  I agree with other submissions that it would be helpful to be able to look back on how a Bill has been amended as it moves through Parliament, and see who initiated and supported each amendment.

  5.5  It should also be possible to track historical information on Parliamentary pre-legislative scrutiny. The Historic Hansard Prototype (http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/) is a good step in this direction.

6.  OTHER SUGGESTIONS

  6.1  I agree with the suggestion that it should be possible to set up an alert so that people are notified about particular parts of Bills relevant to their interests—either about the introduction of new legislation in their area of interest, or about changes to Bills.

6.2  I understand that some suggestions have been made about making draft legislation available online for the public to annotate, a sort of "wiki-bill". I am not so sure abut the benefit of this—it could be a dangerous and pointless exercise. "Annotation" to me implies changing the wording of the draft legislation, but parliamentary drafting is a skill and needs to be undertaken by experienced draftsmen who understand the effects of what they're changing. If "annotation" really means commenting on proposals, then a blog or discussion board could be set up for each Bill, but this would need to be closely monitored so that it doesn't become a platform for campaigners. If the public is concerned about proposed legislation, then they should use the existing channels, such as their MP. It would also be more useful to be able to comment online on proposals at the consultation stage.

  6.3  All these suggestions for linking and updating parliamentary data raise resourcing issues. I have worked in legal publishing and know how labour-intensive it is to keep an information database accurate and up to date. Online publishers such as LexisNexis and Westlaw charge large subscriptions for their legislation databases, so there are major costs implications in setting up and, more importantly, maintaining a workable and useful parliamentary information resource—if people find that an online service is out of date or difficult to navigate then they won't use it.

  6.4  Consideration also needs to be given to how the data is archived, eg will rejected amendments be maintained, how one searches for archived material, and how to display the status of historic information retrieved via a search. There is the danger that people might simply use Google, which might bring up superseded versions of a Bill.

Claire Booth

10 June 2009






 
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