The Conduct of Lord Moonie, Lord Snape, Lord Truscott and Lord Taylor of Blackburn - Privileges Committee Contents


THE HOUSE OF LORDS' INQUIRY INTO ALLEGATIONS MADE BY THE SUNDAY TIMES

Appeal of Lord Snape to the Committee for Privileges

INTRODUCTION

  1.  This is the written appeal of Lord Snape to the Committee for Privileges against the findings made against him in the Report of the Sub-Committee on Lords' Interests in this matter ("the Report/R").

  2.  This written Appeal has been prepared by Lord Snape's lawyers acting on his instructions. For this reason it refers to Lord Snape in the third person.

  3.  The matter came before the Sub-Committee by way of a complaint by the Leader of the House of Lords (Report para 8). It has been treated as a complaint that Lord Snape breached the Code of Conduct as a result of his conversation with the undercover Sunday Times journalists on 22 January 2009.

  4.  Lord Snape was examined by the Sub-Committee on 10 March 2009.

  5.  Prior to his attendance before the Sub-Committee Lord Snape's understanding of the purpose of the Sub-Committee's inquiry was derived from the Chairman's letter to him of 13 February 2009 (enclosing transcripts of his conversations with the Sunday Times journalists). This stated:

    ... The purpose of the Sub-Committee's inquiry is to determine whether the facts apparently disclosed by the tapes and transcripts constitute any breach of the Code, in particular paragraph 4 read in the light of paragraphs 5, 6, 8, 10 and 12. The Sub-Committee will be concentrating on whether any of the four Members concerned can be shown from the material in the tapes and transcripts to have breached in particular paragraph 4(c) of the Code. The Sub-Committee will be considering whether a Member who negotiated a fee with a view to agreeing to breach paragraph 4(c) would be acting on his "personal honour" and would thus be in breach of paragraph 4(b) of the Code in the light of the Nolan principles ....

  6.  At the outset of the examination on 10 March 2009 the Chairman of the Sub-Committee indicated that:

    ... What we want to do this afternoon is to establish the facts before coming to our conclusions based on our interpretation of the Code of Conduct. We will be reporting to the Committee of Privileges where you have a right of appeal....

  7.  The sections of the Report dealing with:

    — the factual background to the complaint;

    — the interpretation of the Code of Conduct; and

    — the Sub-Committee's analysis of and conclusions on his conduct;

  were sent to Lord Snape on 23 April 2009. They were received on 24 April 2009. The covering letter from the Registrar of Lords Interests required this written appeal to be submitted to the Clerk to the Committee for Privileges not later than noon on Tuesday 5 May 2009.

  8.  Lord Snape wishes to record his concern that he was expected to prepare this appeal in just five working days, when it has taken nearly three months for this matter to progress from the complaint, on 25 January 2009, to service of the Report on him. Five working days is an unnecessarily short period of time in which to consider the Report and prepare this important document. He and those assisting him have done their best in the limited time allowed. However he considers this aspect of the procedure to have been unfair.

  9.  The procedure entitled "How Complaints are Dealt with" indicates that:

    13.  The Member complained against has a right of appeal to the Committee for Privileges against the findings of the Sub-Committee.

    14.  The Committee for Privileges hears any appeal and the Member has the right to appear before it.

    15.  The Committee for Privileges reports to the House ...

  10.  Paragraph 35 of the Fourth Report from the Committee for Privileges[1] indicates that:

    ... The Committee will not normally reopen the Sub-Committee's investigation. Rather the members of the Committee will use their judgment to decide whether, on a balance of probabilities they endorse the conclusions of the Sub-Committee ...

THE RELEVANT PROVISIONS OF THE CODE

  11.  These provide:

    Purpose of the Code

    1.  The purpose of this Code of Conduct is:

(a)to provide guidance for Members of the House of Lords on the standards of conduct expected of them in the discharge of their parliamentary and public duties;

(b)to provide the openness and accountability necessary to reinforce public confidence in the way in which Members of the House of Lords perform their parliamentary and public duties ....

    Personal conduct

    4.  Members of the House:

(a)must comply with the Code of Conduct;

(b)should act always on their personal honour;

(c)must never accept any financial inducement as an incentive or reward for exercising parliamentary influence;

(d)must not vote on any bill or motion, or ask any question in the House or a committee, or promote any matter, in return for payment or any other material benefit (the "no paid advocacy" rule) ....

    What is a relevant interest?

    9.  The test of relevant interest is whether the interest might reasonably be thought by the public to affect the way in which a Member of the House of Lords discharges his or her parliamentary duties.

    10.  The test of relevant interest is therefore not whether a Member's actions in Parliament will be influenced by the interest, but whether the public might reasonably think that this might be the case ....

    Advice

    18.  The operation of the register shall be overseen by a Sub-Committee of the Committee for Privileges on Lords' Interests and the Registrar shall consult the Sub-Committee when necessary. The Registrar is available to advise Members of the House. A Member who acts on the advice of the Registrar in determining what is a relevant interest satisfies fully the requirements of the Code of Conduct ....

THE NOLAN PRINCIPLES

  12.  The Seven Nolan Principles are:

    Selflessness

    Holders of public office should take decisions solely in terms of the public interest. They should not do so in order to gain financial or other material benefits for themselves, their family, or their friends.

    Integrity

    Holders of public office should not place themselves under any financial or other obligation to outside individuals or organisations that might influence them in the performance of their official duties.

    Objectivity

    In carrying out public business, including making public appointments, awarding contracts, or recommending individuals for awards or benefits, holders of public office should make choices on merit.

    Accountability

    Holders of public office are accountable for their decisions and actions to the public and must submit themselves to whatever scrutiny is appropriate to their office.

    Openness

    Holders of public office should be as open as possible about all the decisions and actions they take. They should give reasons for their decisions and restrict information only when the wider public interest clearly demands.

    Honesty

    Holders of public office have a duty to declare any private interests relating to their public duties and to take steps to resolve any conflicts arising in a way that protects the public interest.

    Leadership

    Holders of public office should promote and support these principles by leadership and example.

LORD SNAPE'S CASE BEFORE THE SUB-COMMITTEE AS TO THE MEETING ON 22 JANUARY

In general

  13.  This is clear from his written submissions of: 11 February 2009 ("WS1"); 17 February ("WS2"); 5 March 2009 ("WS3"); and his oral evidence on 10 March ("Ev"). In summary:

    (a) He refused to table or arrange to table an amendment to any bill very early on in the conversation;[2]

    (b) He stated that he did not think he would be able to take a retainer to help the PR company to amend the Business Rates Supplements Bill ("BRSB") and that he would need to take advice from the Registrar before doing so, given that its client had an interest in the amendment;[3] he referred several times to the need to check the position with the Registrar;[4]

    (c) any steps he took would be dependent on an affirmative response from the Registrar;[5] he would not approach anybody unless [he] had first cleared the matter with the Registrar ...;[6]

    (d) The discussion was a tentative one;[7]

    (e) He was not negotiating with the PR company during the meeting;[8]

    (f) If the PR company had made written proposals to him for a retainer he would have had further discussions with them and taken advice from the Registrar before taking it any further forward;[9]

    (g) He has always been very careful to act in accordance with the Code. He has never before faced an allegation of misconduct either as a Member of the House of Commons (from 1974-2001) or the House of Lords (2004-09);[10]

    (h) He never had any intention of breaching the Code and was at all times acting on his personal honour.[11]

Particular points/answers

  14.  Lord Snape also explained his belief that the suggested general exemption from the supplementary rate for all new businesses had merit.[12] He believed that the Code would be interpreted so as to allow him, whilst retained by the PR consultancy, to advocate such an amendment on this basis. He thought that this would be so even though a client of the PR company would benefit from the amendment.

  15.  However he was at pains to emphasise both to the journalists and to the Sub-Committee that he would have checked this understanding of the Code with the Registrar before acting. He also understood that he might well have to declare that you have certain clients in this particular field ... And put it in the Register ... See Ev Q193 referring to his explanations to the journalists at the bottom of p 7 of 33 and the top of p 8 of 33. He considered that he could only move a general amendment provided the Registrar of Members' Interests had been consulted and given his approval ... Ev Q196.

  16.  Similarly he could only speak to a member of the House of Commons about a general amendment provided he had got the permission of the Registrar ... and ... that I tell any Member of the House of Commons if I had any sort of consultancy with these people ... Ev Q210.

  17.  See generally Ev Q222-234 which show Lord Snape taking the Sub-Committee though the various passages in his conversation with the journalists where he emphasised that he would have to clear any action he took with the Registrar. The final question and answer, concerning entering into an agreement with the PR company, is important:

    ... You are saying at this stage that you would not have made an agreement without clearing it with the Registrar.

    Lord Snape: Not only that, I would not have signed up for anything|until I had seen their proposals in writing and that was what I said to them before I left ...

  18.  Lord Snape emphasised his general understanding that:

    ... if the Registrar gives permission then I am covered under 4(c). If I am wrong on that then I stand corrected ... Ev Q213.

  In support of this understanding he pointed to Code para 18 indicating that ... A Member who acts on the advice of the Registrar in determining what is a relevant interest satisfies fully the requirements of the Code of Conduct ... Ev Q240.

  19.  He explained to the Sub-Committee that he had a declared consultancy with the transport company, First Group. He had previously tabled but not moved amendments to the Local Transport Bill. Q195. See also at Q281.

THE REPORT

The "no-paid-advocacy rule"

  20.  The Sub-Committee indicates that it has applied:

    ... a very high standard of proof, falling just short of the criminal standard. The Sub-Committee decided that, in making its findings, it would have to be satisfied, against this high standard, that any breaches had been established to its complete satisfaction. A key question for us was: did the evidence show that the Lord in question expressed a clear willingness to breach the Code of Conduct? [R para 20].

  21.  The Sub-Committee read Code para 4 in the light of Code paras 1 and 9-10, concluding that:

    ... Members are ... bound to act on their personal honour in the context of the public's perceptions of how a Member of the House of Lords ought to behave ... [R para 42].

  22.  It noted that:

    ... Some of the terms such as "personal honour" have been used for centuries. Other terms such as "exercising parliamentary influence" have more recent origins. It has not been thought necessary to define these terms ... [R para 43].

  23.  At paragraphs 45-50 the Sub-Committee set out its view of the meaning of Code paras 4(c) and 4(d). In essence the Sub-Committee concluded that para 4(d) gives examples of the kind of activities falling under the no-paid-advocacy rule, which is more generally described by paragraph 4(c) ... [R para 45].

  24.  At R para 46 the Sub-Committee stated:

    ... Paragraph 4(c) means that Members of the House of Lords may not use their position as members of Parliament to influence Parliament by any means direct or indirect, including through other Members, MPs, Ministers, officials or civil servants, in return for payment by an outside body ...

THE SUB-COMMITTEE'S CONCLUSIONS ON LORD SNAPE—WITH HIS RESPONSES

  25.  The former are at R paras 119-125 and will be taken as read.

The "mistaken" belief

  26.  The Sub-Committee concluded that Lord Snape was mistaken in his belief that subject to the advice of the Registrar, he was permitted to exercise influence in Parliament on behalf of a client or employer provided the action was not for the exclusive benefit of that client or employer ... R paras 119.

  27.  Lord Snape's belief, as set out at paragraphs 14-15 above, may have been mistaken. Whether it was or not would have been resolved in his intended discussions with the Registrar. Lord Snape will accept any ruling of this Committee to the effect that it was mistaken, in the same way that he would have accepted such a ruling of the Registrar. The important point for the purposes of this appeal, expanded upon below, is that it was a genuine belief.

  28.  The introduction into this formulation of his belief by the Sub-Committee of the words on behalf of a client or employer ... is contentious. This is not how the matter was put when Lord Snape gave his evidence. See for example Q.193-195. Here the issue was whether he could promote a general amendment, which he supported on its merits, if it benefited either a company with which he had a declared consultancy or one of its clients. This subtle but important misrepresentation of Lord Snape's belief resurfaces in the most damning conclusions of the Sub-Committee (see below).

Lord Snape's "enthusiasm for the amendment"

  29.  The Sub-Committee asked itself why Lord Snape wanted to be paid to promote the amendment. It concluded that Lord Snape's enthusiasm for the amendment was inspired by the prospect of payment by MJA, in breach of the Code ... R paras 121-123. However, nowhere in the conversation with the undercover journalists did Lord Snape say he wanted to be paid to promote the amendment. On the contrary he told the journalists that:

    ... A newly set up business anywhere in the country ought to be exempt from this supplementary rate because of the high cost of starting up and the need for Government to encourage small businesses—small and large—in the current economic situation ... Hansard transcript p 9.

  This is a perfectly reasonable opinion to express. It is certainly not one from which an inference can be drawn, from its content, that it must have been insincere. The government itself had reduced VAT to help businesses to weather the recession. This Committee must remember that the reporters were engaged in a clever "sting". Their purpose was to engineer a conversation which the Sunday Times could suggest showed Lord Snape as willing to breach Code 4(c) and/or (d). They did so by postulating an amendment which he might well consider meritorious, saying that they wanted to pay him a retainer and then asking him about particular things he could do as a member of the House of Lords, to promote the amendment to the BRSB. See for example the Hansard transcript at:

    p 7: is that something a) you would do, or b) you would be able to do?

    p 11: Is that something you would be able to do? (speak to someone in the House of Commons)

    p 13: would you be able to get an amendment tabled on the Committee, do you think ...

    p 18: Is it worth speaking to the Bill team at all, do you think?

  30.  The suggestion by the Sub-Committee that Lord Snape's views on the merits of the postulated amendment were not genuine comes purely from this context. But this had been contrived by the undercover journalists to suggest insincerity. These rather cynical conclusions of the Sub-Committee are unfair and are not supported by the evidence.

Lord Snape's decision not to move the amendments to the Local Transport Bill

  31.  The Sub-Committee used Lord Snape's own account to it of this episode to suggest that, in the case of the undercover journalists, Lord Snape was deceiving himself if he believed that amendments to benefit an individual client of MJA would be acceptable or be seen to be acceptable, provided a wider public interest was served, because only a few months before he had rejected such a possibility in the case of First Group ... This reasoning is then used to justify the key conclusion that Lord Snape was so keen to win a contract with MJA that in conversation with them he was led to a point beyond what he had previously considered to be prudent and in doing so he showed a willingness to breach the Code ... R para 123.

  32.  This formulation contains the same subtle but important misrepresentation of Lord Snape's view identified at paragraph 28 above. Lord Snape did not believe that amendments to benefit an individual client would be acceptable (emphasis added). He believed that he might be allowed by the Registrar to move a general amendment which he considered in the public interest notwithstanding the declared connection between the PR company and its client who would benefit. This is very different.

  33.  However there is a more fundamental objection to this reasoning. What Lord Snape said at Ev Q195 was:

    ... I actually did table two amendments to the Local Transport Bill ... which I did not move because I felt, on reflection, that it might be said I was benefiting a company for which I worked, that is First Group ... (emphasis added).

  What he meant by this is, with respect, obvious. His consultancy with First Group had been declared and restated during the debates on the Local Transport Bill (see Q194). On reflection he felt that if he moved the amendments in what he believed was the public interest, others might nonetheless think that he was doing so in order to benefit First Group. He wanted to avoid this perception. In the case of a declared consultancy for the PR company and the postulated BSRB amendment there would have been less risk of such a perception (ie because the PR company would not have an apparent interest in the BSRB amendment in the way that First Group did in Local Transport Bill amendments). But it does not mean that the same concern would not in due course have prevented Lord Snape acting for precisely the same reason. The Registrar would presumably have raised this concern when he told him of the PR company's client. He may well have decided himself that "on reflection" the same concern arose in this case. It is ironic that an episode that Lord Snape described to the Sub-Committee to demonstrate his concern to be seen to complying with the Code has been used against him in an attempt to demonstrate his bad faith in this instance. See also at R para 124 where this is done once again.

Lord Snape expressed a clear willingness to breach the Code of Conduct

  34.  This finding is made at R para 125.

  35.  But again Lord Snape is entitled to a more accurate finding. Lord Snape did not express to the journalists a willingness to break the Code, clear or otherwise. He was at pains to emphasise to the journalists that he wanted to stay within the Code and that he would consult with the Registrar before actually doing (as opposed to talking about doing) anything. He expressed his willingness to do things, following any retainer, which he honestly believed would be within the Code in the circumstances set out at paragraphs 14 and 15 above (including disclosure to and approval by the Registrar).

The last word

  36.  At the end of its conclusion on Lord Snape the Sub-Committee suggests that Lord Snape came to realise that the language he used with the journalists was misleading even if not intended to mislead. It is suggested, by way of example, that he should not have discussed approaching a junior minister sort of behind the scenes.[13] Part of Q276 is also set out and offered as another example of this "realisation". However the opening words of Baroness Manningham-Buller's question, which are omitted, are important. She said: Obviously you would have referred to the Registrar, but ... do you think with hindsight and on reflection that offering to etc ... is within the Code of Conduct? (emphasis added). The exchange, as set out at para 125, suggests that Lord Snape was offering to this irrespective of whether it had been cleared with the Registrar. When the question and answer are read in full it is clear this is not the case.

What are the Sub-Committee's findings on the questions identified in the Chairman's letter to him of 13 February 2009?

  37.  These are not apparent. There is no determination as to whether Lord Snape has breached Code para 4(c). There is no determination as to whether he had negotiated a fee with a view to agreeing to breach paragraph 4(c) nor is there a determination therefore as to whether he would be acting on his "personal honour" in such circumstances or whether he would thus be in breach of paragraph 4(b) of the Code in the light of the Nolan principles ...

  38.  Indeed there is not any explicit conclusion as to whether Lord Snape has breached any particular provision of the Code.

THE CORRECT INTERPRETATION OF CODE PARAS 4(B)-(D)

  39.  The Sub-Committee's view at R para 45 that Code para 4(d) gives examples of the kind of activities falling under the no-paid-advocacy rule, which is more generally described by paragraph 4(c) is surely wrong, although nothing turns on it. Code 4(d) is, and is stated to be, the "no paid advocacy rule". It is correctly described as such because it envisages overt or direct acts of promotion. Code 4(c) is concerned with actions on the part of the member which seek imperceptibly or by indirect means to alter the conduct of Parliament in some respect.

  40.  The act prohibited in (c) is "accepting" (in the sense of taking or receiving) the financial inducement. If it is accepted before the attempt to influence Parliament by the Member it is an incentive to do so and if it is accepted afterwards it is a reward for having done so.

  41.  The acts prohibited in (d) are those listed therein.

  42.  The Sub-Committee observes at R para 43 that It has never been thought necessary to define Code 4(b). However this will not do in the modern era. It will certainly not do if Members are to face proceedings of this sort based upon Code 4(b) with the possibility of serious disciplinary sanctions, such as suspension from the House, and inevitable damage to reputation in the event that a breach is proved.[14] It is a fundamental aspect of the duty of fairness in such circumstances that disciplinary "offences" are clearly defined and certain.

  43.  Lord Snape contends that the key word in 4(b) is personal. A Member is thereby prohibited from doing something which s/he knows or believes to be dishonourable.

  44.  If the House of Lords wishes to have broader "base" offence in the Code, using a minimum objective standard of conduct, it can introduce one (sufficiently clearly worded). But Code para 4(b) does not achieve this aim.

THE GROUNDS OF THIS APPEAL

  45.  Given the lack of clarity in the Sub-Committee's findings, it is not easy to formulate an appeal in the terms envisaged in paragraph 35 of the Report from the Committee (see above).

Code paragraph 4(c)

  46.  If the Sub-Committee found a breach of this provision, Lord Snape contends that on a balance of probabilities this Committee should not endorse this conclusion. It was not available to the Sub-Committee on the standard of proof which they applied or the civil standard. Lord Snape did not do any of the acts prohibited by Code 4(c), or indeed (d). He did not take or receive any money from the two bogus PR representatives. He simply spoke to them in his room. He did not do any of the acts prohibited by Code 4(d).

Paragraph 4(b)

  47.  If the Sub-Committee found a breach of this provision, whether on the basis that he negotiated a fee with a view to agreeing to breach paragraph 4(c) or on some other basis, Lord Snape contends that on a balance of probabilities this Committee should not endorse this conclusion. It was not available to the Sub-Committee on the standard of proof which they applied or the civil standard.

  48.  The Sub-Committee accepted ... that [Lord Snape] may have believed that moving a blanket amendment was legitimate ... R para 125. This observation would presumably extend to other acts amounting to "advocacy" of the amendment undertaken in the circumstances described in paragraphs 14 and 15 above (ie he may have believed this too was legitimate).

  49.  However even this is not good enough. Given that this case resolves itself to the question of whether Lord Snape acted on his personal honour in engaging in the conversation with the journalists, the Sub-Committee was not entitled to duck the question of whether he did honestly believe that he would be acting legitimately if he advocated the amendment, believing it to be in the public interest.

  50.  The Sub-Committee also failed to appreciate the significance for this provision of the Code of Lord Snape's stated intention to discuss the circumstances with the Registrar before acting.

  51.  At R para 124 the Sub-Committee observes that his intention to do so should not be used as an excuse to exempt a Member from his duty to exercise his own judgment of what is proper. No doubt this is true. But Lord Snape was not seeking to do this. He had exercised his judgment in reaching the view identified at paragraphs 14 and 15 above. He simply wanted to check it with the Registrar. He can hardly be criticised for this. What is the point of making the Registrar available for advice, as per Code para 18 or generally, if Members are to be criticised for seeking it?

  52.  But none of this is to the point under Code para 4(b). The question for the Sub-Committee here was—"can we gainsay Lord Snape's assurance that he would have gone to the Registrar for advice?" It did not ask this question, let alone answer it. If it had asked itself this question it could only have come to one answer—"No". There is no evidence to suggest that this was a false assurance. Moreover he would not have raised this with the bogus PR representatives if it had not been his intention to go to the Registrar for advice and he simply wanted to advocate the amendment for money come what may. This is because it might have discouraged them from pursuing the proposed retainer.

  53.  It follows that no finding can properly be made that, in speaking to the journalists, Lord Snape did anything he knew or believed to be dishonourable in the context of the Code and his membership of the House. He formed a view about what he could legitimately do. If it was mistaken he may be criticised for this but this is not a breach of Code para 4(b).

  54.  In short, Lord Snape did honestly believe that he would be acting legitimately if he advocated the time-limited exemption for the benefit of all new businesses, believing it to be in the public interest. He did intend to check this with the Registrar before acting. So he was not doing or saying anything he knew or believed to be dishonourable in the meeting with the journalists.

  55.  Although the letter from the Chairman of the Sub-Committee of 13 February 2009 suggested that the Nolan principles might be in play in relation to Lord Snape's conversation with the journalists, it is not easy to see which principle/s would be engaged. In particular, no decisions were being taken (principle 1), Lord Snape did not place himself under any obligation (in the language of the letter of 13 February no fee was negotiated—principle 2), nor was any public business being carried out (principle 3).

CONCLUSION

  56.  Lord Snape is entitled to a clear and fearless decision from this Committee to the above effect. Such a decision should be reported by this Committee to the House. He might be criticised for making a mistake, or not properly understanding the rules. However this would be harsh since the House allows parliamentary consultancies (see R para 60) and the difficult distinctions/issues thrown up by his understanding of the Code (set out at paragraphs 14 and 15 above) are not addressed at all in the Code. However it cannot be said that simply having the discussion with the journalists, on the basis of this honest but mistaken understanding of the Code, was a breach of the Code.

Gavin Millar QC
















1   The Code of Conduct; procedure for considering complaints against Members, HL Paper 205 (see 2007-08). Back

2   WS 1 para (4); Ev Q178. Back

3   WS 1 paras (6), (7); WS3 p 1. Back

4   WS3 p 2. Back

5   WS3 p 3. Back

6   Ev Q175, Q177, Q243. Back

7   WS 1 para (11). Back

8   WS3 p 1; Ev Q244. Back

9   WS 1 para (13). Back

10   WS 1p.4; WS2. Back

11   WS2; Ev Q175/ Back

12   See Ev Q301 I cannot repeat too often, Mr Lord Chairman, to you and your Committee that I thought so then and I think so now ... Back

13   See Hansard p 11 of 33. This comment was explained by Lord Snape to the Sub-Committee at Q168-171. Lord Snape was discussing the possibility of talking to a minister about what he considered to be the general merits of exempting new businesses from the supplement for a period. This was something he would only have done with the permission of the Registrar and having disclosed any consultancy (Q210). Back

14   It hardly needs to be emphasised that Lord Snape's reputation has been badly damaged by events so far, and will remain so even if he is found not to have breached the Code. Back


 
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