Table of Contents for
Wednesday 16 Oct 2013

Volume No. 748Part No. 53

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House of Lords

Introduction: Lord Whitby

Alcohol: Late Night Drinking - Question

EU: Northern Cyprus - Question

Identity Cards - Question

Northern Ireland: Abortion - Question

Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Bill - First Reading

Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills - Motion to Appoint

Business of the House - Announcement

Care Bill [HL] - Report (3rd Day)

Amendment 83

Clause 58: Assessment of a child’s needs for care and support

Amendment 83A

Amendment 84

Amendments 85 to 89

Clause 59: Child’s needs assessment: requirements etc.

Amendments 90 to 93

Clause 60: Assessment of a child’s carer’s needs for support

Amendment 94

Amendments 95 to 99

Clause 61: Child’s carer’s assessment: requirements etc.

Amendments 100 to 102

Clause 63: Assessment of a young carer’s needs for support

Amendments 103 to 108

Clause 64: Young carer’s assessment: requirements etc.

Amendments 109 to 114

Clause 65: Assessments under sections 58 to 64: further provision

Amendments 115 to 117

Amendments 118 and 119

Clause 67: Recovery of charges, interest etc.

Amendment 120

Amendment 121

Clause 69: Five-yearly review by Secretary of State

Amendment 122

Schedule 3: Discharge of hospital patients with care and support needs

Clause 71: After-care under the Mental Health Act 1983

Amendments 126 to 128

Amendment 128A

Amendments 129 to 134


Schedule 4: After-care under the Mental Health Act 1983: direct payments

Amendments 135 and 136

Probation Service - Question for Short Debate

Care Bill [HL] - Report (3rd Day) (Continued)

Clause 72: Prisoners and persons in approved premises etc.

Amendment 136A

Clause 74: Guidance

Amendment 138

Clause 75: Delegation of local authority functions

Amendment 138A

Amendment 139

Amendment 140

Clause 77: Warning notice

Grand Committee

Children and Families Bill - Committee (3rd Day)

Amendment 40

Amendment 42

Amendment 43

Amendment 44

Clause 10: Family mediation information and assessment meetings

Amendment 46

Clause 11: Welfare of the child: parental involvement

Amendment 53

Written Statements

EU: Foreign Affairs and General Affairs Councils - Statement

Housing: Private Rented Sector - Statement

Written Answers

Courts: Community Advice and Support Service - Question

Education: Special Educational Needs and Disability - Questions

Energy: Prices - Questions

Environment: Earthworms - Question

Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities - Question

Health: HIV/AIDS - Question

Internet: Fraud - Question

National Parks - Question

Northern Ireland: Military Covenant - Question

Royal Commission on Historical Manuscripts and Public Record Office - Question





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Wednesday 16 Oct 2013

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House of Lords [16 Oct 2013]

3 pm

Introduction: Lord Whitby

3.08 pm

Alcohol: Late Night Drinking - Question

3.13 pm

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home Office (Lord Taylor of Holbeach) (Con):

Lord Avebury (LD):

Lord Taylor of Holbeach:

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Lord Mackenzie of Framwellgate (Non-Afl):

Lord Taylor of Holbeach:

Baroness Meacher (CB):

Lord Taylor of Holbeach:

Baroness Smith of Basildon (Lab):

Lord Taylor of Holbeach:

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff (CB):

Column: 535

Lord Taylor of Holbeach:

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean (Con):

Lord Taylor of Holbeach:

Lord Hughes of Woodside (Lab):

Lord Taylor of Holbeach:

Baroness Browning (Con):

Lord Taylor of Holbeach:

EU: Northern Cyprus - Question

3.21 pm

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The Senior Minister of State, Department for Communities and Local Government & Foreign and Commonwealth Office (Baroness Warsi) (Con):

Lord Sharkey (LD):

Baroness Warsi:

Lord Hannay of Chiswick (CB):

Baroness Warsi:

Baroness Hussein-Ece (LD):

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Baroness Warsi:

Lord Davies of Coity (Lab):

Baroness Warsi:

Identity Cards - Question

3.25 pm

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home Office (Lord Taylor of Holbeach) (Con):

Baroness Miller of Hendon (Con):

Lord Taylor of Holbeach:

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Lord West of Spithead (Lab):

Lord Taylor of Holbeach:

Lord Deben (Con):

Lord Taylor of Holbeach:

Lord Roberts of Llandudno (LD):

Lord Taylor of Holbeach:

Lord Harris of Haringey (Lab):

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Lord Taylor of Holbeach:

Lord Marlesford (Con):

Lord Taylor of Holbeach:

Lord Mackenzie of Framwellgate (Non-Afl):

Lord Taylor of Holbeach:

Lord Cormack (Con):

Lord Taylor of Holbeach:

Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe (Lab):

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Lord Taylor of Holbeach:

Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean (Lab):

Lord Taylor of Holbeach:

Northern Ireland: Abortion - Question

3.36 pm

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Wales Office (Baroness Randerson) (LD):

Baroness Thornton (Lab):

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Baroness Randerson:

Baroness Gould of Potternewton (Lab):

Baroness Randerson:

Lord Steel of Aikwood (LD):

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Baroness Randerson:

Baroness O'Loan (CB):

Baroness Randerson:

Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Bill - First Reading

3.44 pm

Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills - Motion to Appoint

3.45 pm

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Business of the House - Announcement

3.45 pm

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath (Lab):

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department of Health (Earl Howe) (Con):

Care Bill [HL] - Report (3rd Day)

3.47 pm

Amendment 83

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Lord Low of Dalston (CB):


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Lord Willis of Knaresborough (LD):


Column: 547

4 pm

Lord Wills (Lab):

Lord Willis of Knaresborough:

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Lord Hope of Craighead (CB):


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4.15 pm

Baroness Campbell of Surbiton (CB):

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Lord Mackay of Clashfern (Con):

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Lord Warner (Lab):

Lord Faulks (Con):


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Lord Mackay of Clashfern:

Lord Faulks:

Column: 554

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff (CB):

Lord Faulks:

4.30 pm

Lord Mackay of Clashfern:

Lord Faulks:

Lord Warner:

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Lord Hope of Craighead:

Lord Faulks:

Lord Skelmersdale (Con):

Lord Wills:


Column: 556

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath:

Column: 557

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department of Health (Earl Howe) (Con):


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4.45 pm

Lord Wills:

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Earl Howe:


Column: 560

Lord Warner:

Earl Howe:

Lord Low of Dalston:

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5.01 pm

Division on Amendment 83.Contents 247; Not-Contents 218.Amendment 83 agreed.

Division No. 1 [] [16 Oct 2013]

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5.18 pm

Clause 58: Assessment of a child’s needs for care and support

Amendment 83A

Lord Patel (CB):


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Baroness Finlay of Llandaff (CB):

5.30 pm

Column: 569

Baroness Gardner of Parkes (Con):


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Earl Howe:


Column: 571

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath:

Earl Howe:

5.45 pm

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Column: 573

Lord Patel:

Amendment 84

Amendments 85 to 89

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Clause 59: Child’s needs assessment: requirements etc.

Amendments 90 to 93

Clause 60: Assessment of a child’s carer’s needs for support

Amendment 94

Amendments 95 to 99

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Clause 61: Child’s carer’s assessment: requirements etc.

Amendments 100 to 102

Clause 63: Assessment of a young carer’s needs for support

Amendments 103 to 108

Clause 64: Young carer’s assessment: requirements etc.

Amendments 109 to 114

Column: 576

Clause 65: Assessments under sections 58 to 64: further provision

Amendments 115 to 117

Amendments 118 and 119

Column: 577

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Clause 67: Recovery of charges, interest etc.

Amendment 120

Column: 579

Lord Lipsey (Lab):


Column: 580

6 pm

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath:


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Baroness Bakewell (Lab):

Lord Mackay of Clashfern:

Earl Howe:

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6.15 pm

Lord Lipsey:

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6.17 pm

Division on Amendment 120Contents 198; Not-Contents 224.Amendment 120 disagreed.

Division No. 2 [] [16 Oct 2013]

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6.30 pm

Amendment 121

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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath:

Lord Warner:

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Earl Howe:

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6.45 pm

Column: 592

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath:

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Clause 69: Five-yearly review by Secretary of State

Amendment 122

Lord Warner:

Schedule 3: Discharge of hospital patients with care and support needs

Clause 71: After-care under the Mental Health Act 1983

Amendments 126 to 128

Column: 594

Amendment 128A

Lord Patel of Bradford (Lab):


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7 pm

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The Lord Speaker:

Baroness Masham of Ilton (CB):

Lord Patel of Bradford:

Baroness Hollins (CB):

Baroness Barker (LD):


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Baroness Wheeler:

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Earl Howe:


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7.15 pm

Baroness Masham of Ilton:

Earl Howe:

Lord Patel of Bradford:

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7.19 pm

Division on Amendment 128AContents 178; Not-Contents 198.Amendment 128A disagreed.

Division No. 3 [] [16 Oct 2013]

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7.31 pm

Amendments 129 to 134

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Schedule 4: After-care under the Mental Health Act 1983: direct payments

Amendments 135 and 136

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Probation Service - Question for Short Debate

7.32 pm

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames (LD):


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7.43 pm

Lord Judd (Lab):


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7.52 pm

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone (LD):


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Lord Gardiner of Kimble (Con):

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone:

Column: 614

8.05 pm

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede (Lab):

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8.10 pm

Lord Beecham (Lab):


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8.18 pm

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon (Con):


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Care Bill [HL] - Report (3rd Day) (Continued)

8.32 pm

Clause 72: Prisoners and persons in approved premises etc.

Amendment 136A

Lord Patel of Bradford (Lab):


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Baroness Masham of Ilton (CB):

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department of Health (Earl Howe) (Con):


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Lord Patel of Bradford:

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Earl Howe:

Lord Patel of Bradford:

Earl Howe:

Lord Patel of Bradford:

8.45 pm

Clause 74: Guidance

Amendment 138

Clause 75: Delegation of local authority functions

Amendment 138A

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The Deputy Chairman of Committees (Baroness Morris of Bolton) (Con):

Earl Howe:

Amendment 139

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Column: 630

Baroness Barker (LD):


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Baroness Bakewell (Lab):

Column: 632

Baroness Tyler of Enfield (LD):

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9 pm

Baroness Wheeler (Lab):

Column: 634

Earl Howe:


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Baroness Barker:

Amendment 140

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Earl Howe:

Baroness Masham of Ilton (CB):


Column: 637

9.15 pm

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath:

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Baroness Barker:

Earl Howe:

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath:

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Earl Howe:

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Clause 77: Warning notice

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Grand Committee [16 Oct 2013]

Children and Families Bill - Committee (3rd Day)

3.45 pm

The Deputy Chairman of Committees (Lord Colwyn) (Con):

Amendment 40

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch (Lab):


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The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Schools (Lord Nash) (Con):

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch:

The Earl of Listowel (CB):

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Lord Wigley (PC):

Lord Nash:

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Baroness Jones of Whitchurch:

Amendment 42

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Lord McColl of Dulwich (Con):

4 pm

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4.15 pm

Baroness Massey of Darwen (Lab):


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Baroness Butler-Sloss (CB):


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Baroness Lister of Burtersett (Lab):

Baroness Hamwee (LD):

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The Earl of Listowel:

Baroness Butler-Sloss:

The Earl of Listowel:

Baroness Butler-Sloss:

The Earl of Listowel:

Baroness Benjamin (LD):

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Baroness Howe of Idlicote (CB):

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch:

4.30 pm

Baroness Northover (LD):


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Baroness Massey of Darwen:

Baroness Northover:

Lord McColl of Dulwich:

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Amendment 43

Baroness Howarth of Breckland (CB):


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4.45 pm

The Earl of Listowel:

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The Countess of Mar (CB):

Baroness Northover:


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Baroness Howarth of Breckland:

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Amendment 44

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Baroness Massey of Darwen:


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5 pm

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5.02 pm
5.12 pm

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Baroness Butler-Sloss:


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Lord Northbourne (CB):

Baroness Drake (Lab):


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5.30 pm

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The Earl of Listowel:


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Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede (Lab):


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Baroness Northover:

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5.45 pm

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Baroness Massey of Darwen:

Clause 10: Family mediation information and assessment meetings

Amendment 46

Baroness Butler-Sloss:


Column: GC260

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch:


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Column: GC262

Lord Wigley:

6 pm

Baroness Howarth of Breckland:

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Lord McColl of Dulwich:

The Minister of State, Ministry of Justice (Lord McNally) (LD):


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6.15 pm

Baroness Hamwee:

Lord McNally:

The Deputy Chairman of Committees:

6.17 pm
6.27 pm

Lord McNally:

Baroness Howarth of Breckland:

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6.30 pm

Lord McNally:

Baroness Butler-Sloss:

Column: GC268

Clause 11: Welfare of the child: parental involvement

Amendment 53

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Column: GC270

6.45 pm

The Deputy Chairman of Committees (Lord Haskel) (Lab):

Baroness Butler-Sloss:


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Baroness Tyler of Enfield (LD):


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7 pm

The Earl of Listowel:


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Baroness Howarth of Breckland:


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Baroness Hamwee:

Baroness Meacher (CB):

Column: GC278

7.15 pm

Column: GC279

Lord Mackay of Clashfern (Con):

7.20 pm
7.30 pm

Lord Mackay of Clashfern:


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Baroness Meacher:

Lord Mackay of Clashfern:

Lord Northbourne:

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Lord Mackay of Clashfern:

Lord McNally:


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7.45 pm

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Baroness Hughes of Stretford:

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Baroness Northover:

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Written Statements [16 Oct 2013]

EU: Foreign Affairs and General Affairs Councils - Statement

The Senior Minister of State, Department for Communities and Local Government & Foreign and Commonwealth Office (Baroness Warsi) (Con):


Column: WS72


Column: WS73

Housing: Private Rented Sector - Statement

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for Communities and Local Government (Baroness Stowell of Beeston) (Con):

Column: WS74

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Column: WS76

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Written Answers [16 Oct 2013]

Courts: Community Advice and Support Service - Question

The Minister of State, Ministry of Justice (Lord McNally) (LD):

Education: Special Educational Needs and Disability - Questions

The Minister of State, Ministry of Justice (Lord McNally) (LD):


Column: WA80

Lord McNally:

Column: WA81

Energy: Prices - Questions

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department of Energy and Climate Change (Baroness Verma) (Con):

Baroness Verma:

Column: WA82

Environment: Earthworms - Question

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for Business, Innovation and Skills (Viscount Younger of Leckie) (Con):

Column: WA83

Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities - Question

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for Communities and Local Government (Baroness Stowell of Beeston) (Con):

Health: HIV/AIDS - Question

Column: WA84

Baroness Northover (LD):

Internet: Fraud - Question

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home Office (Lord Taylor of Holbeach) (Con):

National Parks - Question

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for Communities and Local Government (Baroness Stowell of Beeston) (Con):


Column: WA85

Northern Ireland: Military Covenant - Question

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry of Defence (Lord Astor of Hever) (Con):

Column: WA86

Royal Commission on Historical Manuscripts and Public Record Office - Question

Lord Gardiner of Kimble (Con):