Select Committee on Public Accounts Minutes of Evidence


Supplementary memorandum submitted by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs

Questions 70-72 (Mr Philip Dunne): Salix Finance Limited

  Salix Finance Limited ("Salix") is an independent company limited by guarantee. It has four members: John Edmonds, as representative of the Carbon Trust (Non-Executive Director of the Carbon Trust, Non-Executive member of the Board of the Environment Agency, Senior Research Fellow at King's College, University of London, formerly General Secretary of the GMB Trade Union and President of the TUC), Teresa Graham (formerly Deputy Chair of the Government's Better Regulation Commission, Chairman of the Administrative Burdens Advisory Board of HMRC, Chair of the Regulatory Board of the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors), Peter Derrick (recently retired as Chamberlain of London, previously Director of Finance and Corporate Services of Surrey County Council, Chief Executive at Hammersmith and Fulham and Director of Finance at Camden & Hounslow) and Mark Addison (Chief Operating Officer Defra and Acting Permanent Secretary for a short period in 2005, Non Executive Director of The National Archives).

  The Carbon Trust Group has an overarching role in relation to helping public sector organisations deliver carbon savings both today and in the future. Salix designs and delivers co-funded invest to save schemes for the implementation of energy efficient capital projects in the public sector. The Carbon Trust grant funds Salix to provide these schemes as an additional element of the broader offer to the public sector (see diagram).

  The Carbon Trust decided to set up Salix as an independent company to deliver these schemes rather than looking for a contractor to manage the schemes on its behalf because it was felt that there was a role for an efficient single purpose organisation which had the freedom to manage its schemes and that could seek public funding from other sources over time.

  The Carbon Trust seeks to provide a joined up service to the public sector and in doing so monitors the work of Salix and has agreed parameters for the use of Carbon Trust funding by Salix that ensure cost effectiveness and programme effectiveness. We also gather and share learnings to inform the development of our respective offerings. The Carbon Trust has an important role to play in ensuring that funding from Defra to help the public sector reduce carbon emissions is used in a way that maximises its impact.


Questions 114—117 (Mr Ian Davidson): State Aid Rules

  The Committee expressed concern that the Carbon Trust was unable to focus on companies which have the potential to deliver the highest savings because of State Aid rules and asked what Defra had done to raise the issue with the EU Commission.

  Defra has not made any representations to the Commission as in practice the state aid rules do not unduly constrain Carbon Trust's support to individual companies, for the reasons stated below.

  The Carbon Trust has agreed with Defra and BERR that its carbon management and energy efficiency advice activities operate as a "general measure" under state aid rules. This means that they do not constitute state aid.

  A general measure is a measure conferring a benefit which is potentially available to all undertakings in an EU Member State and is not selective. To comply with this definition, the Carbon Trust's carbon management and energy efficiency advice must be:

    —  Open to all non-domestic energy users in the UK.

    —  Provided on the basis of need, assessed using objective criteria and applied on a non-discriminatory basis.

    —  Reactive not proactive, meaning that it is not targeted towards specific companies or particular sectors.

  The Carbon Trust has consulted periodically with Defra and the State Aid Unit at BERR about any significant changes to its carbon management and energy efficiency advice services to ensure that both Departments were satisfied that the changes would not affect the general measure status of those activities.

  The general measure status requires the Carbon Trust to make services available to all organisations in the UK but has not prevented it from developing a range of different services appropriate to the diverse needs of customers based on their energy consumption, thereby ensuring the cost effectiveness of its services. The main categories of service which the Carbon Trust has developed are:

    —  General Advice provided through publications, the website, and a telephone helpline, which is available to all business and public sector organisations (but is typically used by smaller organisations with energy costs of less than £50,000 per annum);

    —  Standard Surveys for organisations with energy bills of over £50,000 per annum, under which an accredited consultant undertakes one or more site surveys and prepares a report with costed recommendations for reducing carbon emissions and energy consumption. The work can also include a range of other services; and

    —  Carbon Management for larger energy use organisations where accredited energy experts work with an organisation to undertake a strategic review of its carbon emissions and energy consumption and to draw up a reduction action plan. The energy experts are generally selected on the basis of their specialist knowledge of the sector in which the organisation operates.

  The Carbon Trust seeks to maximise its effectiveness by requiring co-funding for certain services and by larger organisations (with energy bills of more than £3million) where there is a much greater willingness and ability to pay part of the cost of such services.

  Although the general measure requirements mean that the Carbon Trust's services must be reactive and open to all, this is considered to be appropriate given that public money is being used. The Carbon Trust is not prevented from giving support for the specific needs of an organisation provided that it offers equivalent support to other organisations. Through its marketing campaigns and other promotional activities it is also able to ensure that organisations, including those with the greatest potential to make carbon savings, are made aware of its services and encourage them to make contact.

  In practice, therefore, the Carbon Trust does not consider that the general measure principles have acted as a significant constraint on its ability to work with those organisations with the greatest potential for making carbon savings.

  It has therefore not been considered necessary for the Government to make any approaches to the EU Commission with a view to achieving greater flexibility for the Carbon Trust in carrying out activities in this area. However, the Carbon Trust keeps developments in state aid law under close review in conjunction with Defra and BERR.


 
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