House of Lords Journal 241 (Session 2007-08)

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Thursday 3 July 2008

The House met at 11.00am.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Hayman, B. (Lord Speaker)

Acton, L.
Adams of Craigielea, B.
Addington, L.
Adebowale, L.
Adonis, L.
Afshar, B.
Ahmed, L.
Alderdice, L.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Ampthill, L.
Anderson of Swansea, L.
Anelay of St Johns, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Armstrong of Ilminster, L.
Ashdown of Norton-sub-
Hamdon, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Ashton of Upholland, B.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Bach, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Barker, B.
Barnett, L.
Berkeley, L.
Best, L.
Bhatia, L.
Bhattacharyya, L.
Bilimoria, L.
Billingham, B.
Bilston, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blaker, L.
Bledisloe, V.
Bonham-Carter of Yarnbury, B.
Boothroyd, B.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bradshaw, L.
Bragg, L.
Bramall, L.
Brennan, L.
Brett, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Bridges, L.
Broers, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Burnett, L.
Buscombe, B.
Butler-Sloss, B.
Byford, B.
Caithness, E.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell-Savours, L.
Carlile of Berriew, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carter of Coles, L.
Cathcart, E.
Chandos, V.
Chidgey, L.
Chorley, L.
Christopher, L.
Clark of Windermere, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cobbold, L.
Colwyn, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Corbett of Castle Vale, L.
Corston, B.
Cotter, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Crathorne, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Crisp, L.
Cunningham of Felling, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Davidson of Glen Clova, L.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
De Mauley, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Dear, L.
Deech, B.
Denham, L.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donoughue, L.
D’Souza, B.
Dundee, E.
Dykes, L.
Eames, L.
Eatwell, L.
Eccles, V.
Eccles of Moulton, B.
Elder, L.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Elystan-Morgan, L.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Evans of Temple Guiting, L.
Falkland, V.
Falkner of Margravine, B.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Ferrers, E.
Filkin, L.
Finlay of Llandaff, B.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Forsyth of Drumlean, L.
Foster of Bishop Auckland, L.
Fowler, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freeman, L.
Gale, B.
Garden of Frognal, B.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geddes, L.
Gibson of Market Rasen, B.
Gilbert, L.
Glasgow, E.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Golding, B.
Goodhart, L.
Goodlad, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gould of Brookwood, L.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grantchester, L.
Greaves, L.
Greenfield, B.
Greengross, B.
Greenway, L.
Grocott, L.
Hameed, L.
Hamilton of Epsom, L.
Hamwee, B.
Hanham, B.
Hanningfield, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harris of Richmond, B.
Harrison, L.
Hart of Chilton, L.
Haskel, L.
Haskins, L.
Haworth, L.
Henig, B.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.

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Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Howard of Rising, L.
Howarth of Breckland, B.
Howarth of Newport, L.
Howe, E.
Howe of Aberavon, L.
Howe of Idlicote, B.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howells of St. Davids, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hunt of Chesterton, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hylton, L.
Inge, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Ewelme, L.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Joffe, L.
Jones of Cheltenham, L.
Jones of Whitchurch, B.
Jordan, L.
Judd, L.
Kilclooney, L.
Kimball, L.
King of Bridgwater, L.
King of West Bromwich, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kingsmill, B.
Kinnock, L.
Kirkhill, L.
Kirkwood of Kirkhope, L.
Laing of Dunphail, L.
Laird, L.
Lamont of Lerwick, L.
Lang of Monkton, L.
Lawson of Blaby, L.
Lea of Crondall, L.
Lee of Trafford, L.
Lewis of Newnham, L.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Lipsey, L.
Livsey of Talgarth, L.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Low of Dalston, L.
Lucas, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
Lyell of Markyate, L.
McAlpine of West Green, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
MacKenzie of Culkein, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
McKenzie of Luton, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Malloch-Brown, L.
Mancroft, L.
Mar, C.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Massey of Darwen, B.
Maxton, L.
Meacher, B.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Mitchell, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montrose, D.
Moonie, L.
Morgan of Drefelin, B.
Morris of Aberavon, L.
Morris of Bolton, B.
Morris of Handsworth, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Morris of Yardley, B.
Moser, L.
Moynihan, L.
Murphy, B.
Naseby, L.
Neuberger, B.
Neville-Jones, B.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Noakes, B.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
Northover, B.
Norton of Louth, L.
O’Cathain, B.
O’Neill of Bengarve, B.
O’Neill of Clackmannan, L.
Ouseley, L.
Paisley of St George’s, B.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Patel, L.
Patel of Blackburn, L.
Patten, L.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Pendry, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Peston, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prashar, B.
Prosser, B.
Prys-Davies, L.
Quin, B.
Quinton, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Ramsbotham, L.
Rawlings, B.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees-Mogg, L.
Rennard, L.
Richard, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Roberts of Llandudno, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rogan, L.
Rosser, L.
Rowlands, L.
Royall of Blaisdon, B.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St John of Fawsley, L.
Sandberg, L.
Sandwich, E.
Sawyer, L.
Scott of Needham Market, B.
Seccombe, B.
Selborne, E.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Selsdon, L.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Sharples, B.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Sheikh, L.
Sheldon, L.
Shephard of Northwold, B.
Shutt of Greetland, L.
Simon, V.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Snape, L.
Soley, L.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Southwark, Bp.
Southwell and Nottingham, Bp.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stevens of Kirkwhelpington, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Swinfen, L.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Bolton, B.
Taylor of Holbeach, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Temple-Morris, L.
Teverson, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomas of Winchester, B.
Thornton, B.
Tomlinson, L.
Tonge, B.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trenchard, V.
Trimble, L.
Trumpington, B.
Truscott, L.
Tugendhat, L.
Tunnicliffe, L.
Turnberg, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Tyler, L.
Uddin, B.
Ullswater, V.
Verma, B.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakeham, L.
Wall of New Barnet, B.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walmsley, B.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warner, L.
Warnock, B.
Warsi, B.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Whitaker, B.
Whitty, L.
Wilcox, B.
Wilkins, B.

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Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Windlesham, L.
Woolf, L.
Woolmer of Leeds, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Young of Hornsey, B.
Young of Norwood Green, L.

Prayers were read by the Lord Bishop of Southwell and Nottingham.

Public Business

1    National Health Service: dentistry A question was asked by Baroness Afshar and answered by Baroness Thornton.

2    Health: bone marrow transplants A question was asked by Lord Harrison and answered by Baroness Thornton.

3    Uganda A question was asked by the Earl of Sandwich and answered by Lord Tunnicliffe.

4    Sudan: Darfur A question was asked by Lord Alton of Liverpool and answered by Lord Malloch-Brown.

5    Finance Bill A bill to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance was brought from the Commons. It was read a first time and ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 74)

6    Housing (Scotland) Act 2006 (Consequential Provisions) Order 2008

Immigration (Supply of Information to the Secretary of State for Immigration Purposes) Order 2008

Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) (Amendment No. 2) Order 2008

Crime (International Co-operation) Act 2003 (Designation of Participating Countries) (England, Wales and Northern Ireland) Order 2008

Immigration (Biometric Registration) (Civil Penalty Code of Practice) Order 2008

Immigration (Biometric Registration) Regulations 2008

The Lord President (Baroness Ashton of Upholland) moved that the draft statutory instruments be referred to a Grand Committee en bloc. The motion was agreed to.

7    World food prices (Balloted debate) Lord Taverne moved for papers relating to the effects of rises in world food prices. After debate, the motion was withdrawn.

8    Mental Capacity (Deprivation of Liberty: Standard Authorisations, Assessments and Ordinary Residence) Regulations 2008 Baroness Thornton moved that the draft Regulations laid before the House on 20 May be approved. After debate, the motion was agreed to.

9    Health Care and Associated Professions (Miscellaneous Amendments) Order 2008 Baroness Thornton moved that the draft Order laid before the House on 4 June be approved. After debate, the motion was agreed to.

10    Education and Skills Bill The bill was further considered in Committee, beginning with amendment 62. Amendments were considered. The House resumed after amendment 123.

The House adjourned at 7.11pm until 10.00am on Friday 4 July.

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All statutory instruments laid before the House are accompanied by an Explanatory Memorandum presented by command of Her Majesty, unless otherwise indicated.

Paper Withdrawn

The following paper, laid before the House on 30 June, was withdrawn:

Report and Accounts for 2007-08 of the NHS Business Services Authority, laid under the National Health Service Act 2006.

Command Paper

The following paper was presented to the House by command of Her Majesty:

Departmental Performance—Report for 2007-08 of HM Treasury.     (7408)

Negative Instruments

The following instruments were laid before the House:

1    National Health Service (Charges for Drugs and Appliances) and (Travel Expenses and Remission of Charges) Amendment (No. 2) Regulations 2008, laid under the National Health Service Act 2006.     (1697)

2    Primary Ophthalmic Services Amendment, Transitional and Consequential Provisions Regulations 2008, laid under the National Health Service Act 1977.     (1700)

3    Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) (Amendment) Regulations 2008, laid under the Road Traffic Act 1988.     (1702)

4    Vehicles Crime (Registration of Registration Plate Suppliers) Regulations 2008, laid under the Vehicles (Crime) Act 2001.     (1715)

5    (1)    Network Access Appeal Rules 2008     (1730)

      (2)    Adjudicator to Her Majesty’s Land Registry (Practice and Procedure) (Amendment) Rules 2008         (1731)

laid under the Land Registration Act 2002.

6    Company Names Adjudicator Rules 2008, laid under the Companies Act 2006.     (1738)

7    Football Spectators (Seating) Order 2008, laid under the Football Spectators Act 1989.     (1749)

Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings

The following papers were laid before the House:

1    Report and Accounts for 2007-08 of the Home-Grown Cereals Authority, laid under the Cereals Marketing Act 1965.

2    Report and Accounts for 2007-08 of OGC Buying Solutions, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Government Trading Funds Act 1973.

3    Report and Accounts for 2007-08 of English Partnerships, laid under the New Towns and Urban Development Corporations Act 1985.

4    (1)    Report for 2000 of Local Government Financial Statistics for England

      (2)    Report for 2001 of Local Government Financial Statistics for England

      (3)    Report for 2002 of Local Government Financial Statistics for England

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      (4)    Report for 2003 of Local Government Financial Statistics for England

      (5)    Report for 2004 of Local Government Financial Statistics for England

laid under the Local Government Act 1972.

5    Report and Accounts for 2007 of the Church Commissioners for England, laid under the Church Commissioners’ Measure 1947.

Judicial Business

1    Johnston (Original Appellant and Cross-respondent) v NEI International Combustion Limited (Original Respondents and Cross-appellants)

2    Rothwell (Original Appellant and Cross-respondent) v Chemical and Insulating Company Limited and others (Original Respondents and Cross-appellants)

3    Topping (Original Appellant and Cross-respondent) v Benchtown Limited (formerly Jones Bros Preston Limited) (Original Respondents and Cross-appellants)

(Conjoined Appeals)

4    Grieves (Appellant) v F T Everard & Sons and others (Respondents)

Further to the Order of the House of Wednesday 17 October 2007 (48th Report, Session 2006-07; [2007] UKHL 39) it is ordered that the appellants do pay or cause to be paid to the respondents their costs in this House, the appellants being thereby jointly and severally liable to make such payment or cause such payment to be made; that such costs do include the costs of the cross-appeals; and that the amount of such costs be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.

5    AL (Jamaica) (FC) (Petitioner) v Secretary of State for the Home Department (Respondent) The petition of AL praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. The petitioner’s certificate of public funding was lodged (lodged 27 June).

6    R (on the application of Ahmad) (Respondent) v Mayor and Burgesses of the London Borough of Newham (Appellants) The petition of the appellants, praying that the appeal be restored and for leave to give security for costs notwithstanding that the time limited by Standing Order V has expired (the agents for the respondent consenting thereto), was presented; and it was ordered as prayed.

7    Appeal Committee The 92nd Report from the Appeal Committee was agreed to and the following Order was made:

Eli Lilly and Company and others (Petitioners) v 8 PM Chemist Limited (Respondents) That leave to appeal be refused; that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(d); and if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.