Examination of Witnesses (Questions 1080
1080. MS LIEVEN: Can I be absolutely
clear on the construction, Mr Berryman? What you are saying is
that the construction works will take something in the region
of three months, and that is the time when the station would have
to be closed completely?
(Mr Berryman) Yes.
1081. But that there would also be, within those
three months, times when the line would have to be closed and
that is the five or six long weekends, is that right?
(Mr Berryman) That is right. They would not necessarily be
within that period when the station was closed completely: it
just depends on how you did the work and organised it.
1082. And it might be just worth explaining
why one would need possessions for this work, possessions of the
(Mr Berryman) Basically for two reasons, first to demolish
what is there now which would take a long weekend, and, secondly,
to re-erect the new structure which would span over the railway.
We would also need to put new piles in, so it would be a question
of getting a piling rigger. The detailed planning of this would
be quite an exercise.
1083. LORD JONES OF CHELTENHAM: Would
the new structure be pre-fabricated so you would bring it in with
a crane and just slot it in?
(Mr Berryman) It would be more than likely a steel structure
which would be assembled on-site. You would not bring it all in
as one piece; it would be too big. It would have to come in in
the form of beams, but they would be erected from steel components.
1084. LORD BROOKE OF ALVETHORPE: How
much did you save on not having to extend the platforms and all
the attendant work that would go with that?
(Mr Berryman) About half a million, or maybe three quarters
of a million.
1085. MS LIEVEN: Can we then move to
the next part of the equation, which is how many people use Manor
Park and whether there are easy alternatives?
(Mr Berryman) May I just finish answering the question from
Lord Brookes? I should have said there are a number of places
where we are doing platform extensions and they will be done with
what we call kitter parts, which is effectively a pre-fabricated
modular system which comes in on the back of a train and is just
erected very quickly.
1086. Moving on to the number of people who
use Manor Park, exhibit 19, roughly how many people use Manor
Park in the peak three hours?
(Mr Berryman) Around 2800.
1087. Is that exits and entries?
(Mr Berryman) Yes.
1088. And then, looking at the bus routes and
the catchment for Manor Park, can we turn up exhibit 5, please?
(Mr Berryman) Yes. This was the one shown yesterday
and it shows the main bus routes running down Romford Road. These
routes go into Stratford bus station which I think we have already
established has a good interchange between buses and trains and,
indeed, other modes of transport.
1089. Now, bearing the bus route in mind can
we go to exhibit 14, which is the catchment plots for Manor Park?
First, can you explain what this is showing?
(Mr Berryman) This is based on a London Area
Travel Survey which was done to establish where people start their
journeys and how they make the journey, and it shows where all
the people who use Manor Park on a certain day, a normal working
day, began their journey, and you can see, apart from a few outliers
out here, most of the catchment is south of the railway. The areas
which are shaded are open space of one sort or another, so there
are no buildings there.
1090. There is a very large cemetery to the
north east, I think.
(Mr Berryman) Yes. I am not sufficiently au fait with the
geography to tell you what they are but they are open space, and
the main bus route runs down this road (south of Manor Park),
right through the middle of the catchment area where most of the
people originated their journeys who caught the train, so we would
say that that bus route is much more accessible to those people
than Manor Park station would be, and that is really given some
credence by the relatively low numbers of passengers who use Manor
Park as compared with other stations on the Crossrail network.
1091. We have got a statistical analysis of
how many people in the Manor Park catchment come from south of
the station. Is that right?
(Mr Berryman) It is over 70 per cent.
1092. MR REED: I am sorry, could that
question be repeated, please?
1093. MS LIEVEN: Can you tell us what
percentage of people who use Manor Park, based on the LATS surveyso
it is only one day's surveycome from south of the station
as opposed to north of the station?
(Mr Berryman) Over 70 per cent.
1094. There were lots of questions put yesterday,
and the point was made that it is not particularly easy to get
from Manor Park Station to Forest Gate Station by bus; you would
have to do at least one change and possibly two. Is that a movement
which you would anticipate rational people doing?
(Mr Berryman) No, because unless you actually live in Manor
Park Station (which, obviously, nobody does) why would you want
to go from Manor Park Station to any other station? What you would
want to do is go from the point where you start your journey to
another station, and that is a different matter to what was suggested.
We are not suggesting that anyone who lives here would first go
to Manor Park and then try to make a movement to another station;
we are suggesting they would never go to Manor Park Station in
the first instance; they would simply get on the most convenient
link into an accessible point.
1095. LORD JAMES OF BLACKHEATH: Just
for the record, can I be assured that none of the intended deployment
of Crossrail impacts at all on any of the cemetery areas?
(Mr Berryman) No, there is no impact at all, sir.
1096. Most of those cemeteries are, of course,
historical plague pits.
(Mr Berryman) Indeed they are. On that matter, my Lords,
we have an extensive archaeological survey programme which will
take place before the work begins.
1097. You are aware of the special situation
at Stratford, which is the principal depository of radioactive
waste from the hospitals of London for the last 80 years?
(Mr Berryman) I think that is some way away from our route,
1098. It is a very big pit.
(Mr Berryman) Yes. I think it is being dealt with by other
at the moment.
1099. It is not, actually, because the workers
are on strike about it!
(Mr Berryman) Are they?
11 Crossrail Ref: P8, 2016 AM Peak 3 Hour Passenger
Forecast (Excluding internal interchange movements (NEWMLB-53_04-019) Back
Crossrail Ref: P8, Manor Park-Local bus services (NEWMLB-53_04-005) Back
Crossrail Ref: P8, Manor Park Station-AM Peak Access Catchment
Plot-2001 LATS Data (NEWMLB-53_04-014) Back