Select Committee on the Crossrail Bill Minutes of Evidence

Examination of Witnesses (Questions 1080 - 1099)

  1080. MS LIEVEN: Can I be absolutely clear on the construction, Mr Berryman? What you are saying is that the construction works will take something in the region of three months, and that is the time when the station would have to be closed completely?
  (Mr Berryman) Yes.

  1081. But that there would also be, within those three months, times when the line would have to be closed and that is the five or six long weekends, is that right?
  (Mr Berryman) That is right. They would not necessarily be within that period when the station was closed completely: it just depends on how you did the work and organised it.

  1082. And it might be just worth explaining why one would need possessions for this work, possessions of the tracks?
  (Mr Berryman) Basically for two reasons, first to demolish what is there now which would take a long weekend, and, secondly, to re-erect the new structure which would span over the railway. We would also need to put new piles in, so it would be a question of getting a piling rigger. The detailed planning of this would be quite an exercise.

  1083. LORD JONES OF CHELTENHAM: Would the new structure be pre-fabricated so you would bring it in with a crane and just slot it in?
  (Mr Berryman) It would be more than likely a steel structure which would be assembled on-site. You would not bring it all in as one piece; it would be too big. It would have to come in in the form of beams, but they would be erected from steel components.

  1084. LORD BROOKE OF ALVETHORPE: How much did you save on not having to extend the platforms and all the attendant work that would go with that?
  (Mr Berryman) About half a million, or maybe three quarters of a million.

  1085. MS LIEVEN: Can we then move to the next part of the equation, which is how many people use Manor Park and whether there are easy alternatives?
  (Mr Berryman) May I just finish answering the question from Lord Brookes? I should have said there are a number of places where we are doing platform extensions and they will be done with what we call kitter parts, which is effectively a pre-fabricated modular system which comes in on the back of a train and is just erected very quickly.

  1086. Moving on to the number of people who use Manor Park, exhibit 19, roughly how many people use Manor Park in the peak three hours?[11]

  (Mr Berryman) Around 2800.

  1087. Is that exits and entries?
  (Mr Berryman) Yes.

  1088. And then, looking at the bus routes and the catchment for Manor Park, can we turn up exhibit 5, please?[12]

  (Mr Berryman) Yes. This was the one shown yesterday and it shows the main bus routes running down Romford Road. These routes go into Stratford bus station which I think we have already established has a good interchange between buses and trains and, indeed, other modes of transport.

  1089. Now, bearing the bus route in mind can we go to exhibit 14, which is the catchment plots for Manor Park?[13] First, can you explain what this is showing?

  (Mr Berryman) This is based on a London Area Travel Survey which was done to establish where people start their journeys and how they make the journey, and it shows where all the people who use Manor Park on a certain day, a normal working day, began their journey, and you can see, apart from a few outliers out here, most of the catchment is south of the railway. The areas which are shaded are open space of one sort or another, so there are no buildings there.

  1090. There is a very large cemetery to the north east, I think.
  (Mr Berryman) Yes. I am not sufficiently au fait with the geography to tell you what they are but they are open space, and the main bus route runs down this road (south of Manor Park), right through the middle of the catchment area where most of the people originated their journeys who caught the train, so we would say that that bus route is much more accessible to those people than Manor Park station would be, and that is really given some credence by the relatively low numbers of passengers who use Manor Park as compared with other stations on the Crossrail network.

  1091. We have got a statistical analysis of how many people in the Manor Park catchment come from south of the station. Is that right?
  (Mr Berryman) It is over 70 per cent.

  1092. MR REED: I am sorry, could that question be repeated, please?

  1093. MS LIEVEN: Can you tell us what percentage of people who use Manor Park, based on the LATS survey—so it is only one day's survey—come from south of the station as opposed to north of the station?
  (Mr Berryman) Over 70 per cent.

  1094. There were lots of questions put yesterday, and the point was made that it is not particularly easy to get from Manor Park Station to Forest Gate Station by bus; you would have to do at least one change and possibly two. Is that a movement which you would anticipate rational people doing?
  (Mr Berryman) No, because unless you actually live in Manor Park Station (which, obviously, nobody does) why would you want to go from Manor Park Station to any other station? What you would want to do is go from the point where you start your journey to another station, and that is a different matter to what was suggested. We are not suggesting that anyone who lives here would first go to Manor Park and then try to make a movement to another station; we are suggesting they would never go to Manor Park Station in the first instance; they would simply get on the most convenient link into an accessible point.

  1095. LORD JAMES OF BLACKHEATH: Just for the record, can I be assured that none of the intended deployment of Crossrail impacts at all on any of the cemetery areas?
  (Mr Berryman) No, there is no impact at all, sir.

  1096. Most of those cemeteries are, of course, historical plague pits.
  (Mr Berryman) Indeed they are. On that matter, my Lords, we have an extensive archaeological survey programme which will take place before the work begins.

  1097. You are aware of the special situation at Stratford, which is the principal depository of radioactive waste from the hospitals of London for the last 80 years?
  (Mr Berryman) I think that is some way away from our route, my Lord.

  1098. It is a very big pit.
  (Mr Berryman) Yes. I think it is being dealt with by other at the moment.

  1099. It is not, actually, because the workers are on strike about it!
  (Mr Berryman) Are they?

11   Crossrail Ref: P8, 2016 AM Peak 3 Hour Passenger Forecast (Excluding internal interchange movements (NEWMLB-53_04-019) Back

12   Crossrail Ref: P8, Manor Park-Local bus services (NEWMLB-53_04-005) Back

13   Crossrail Ref: P8, Manor Park Station-AM Peak Access Catchment Plot-2001 LATS Data (NEWMLB-53_04-014) Back

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