Examination of Witnesses (Questions 1340
1340. MR REED: Perhaps if I pass on from
the loop, because I do not have any other questions on that particular
issue, to some matters relating to the general costs surrounding
1341. CHAIRMAN: You can start but you
have only got a few minutes before we adjourn.
1342. MR REED: Mr Berryman, can I just
understand then, aside from the loop, the cost of putting in a
loop at Goodmayes what would have been the costs of delivering
the changes at Manor Park as was previously described in the ES?
(Mr Berryman) Very low.
1343. That is the extension works and the stairwells?
(Mr Berryman) I would imagine the extension works would be
probably about half a million and the stairways about £250,000.
It was only proposed to shave a little bit off the staircase,
that was all.
1344. And the decision reached not to upgrade
that station for lift accessibility was reached when? Was it on
the basis of the old plans or the new plans?
(Mr Berryman) It was on the basis of the old plans.
1345. With the partial demolition which was
going to occur anyway, would that make more cost-effective the
works of upgrading?
(Mr Berryman) Sorry, can you repeat the question?
1346. With the works that were then proposed,
would there have been a saving, a cost benefit, if one was putting
(Mr Berryman) I do not think that that is a question I can
answer because the problem is that even with the very limited
demolition that would be required here, there is nowhere to get
a lift down off this structure, so I think it is academic because
you still could not get a lift in, even if that bit of demolition
on the corner was done. Is that making sense?
1347. Has that work actually been done, Mr Berryman?
From the way in which you are answering it sounds like there has
not been any detailed analysis of that; is that right?
(Mr Berryman) Only in the sense that the problem here is
not that; the problem is finding a location to get a lift down.
I think I showed a photograph that showed how narrow this space
is with the structure above it and at the moment with that structure
in existence there is nowhere for a lift to go which does not
come down on a track.
1348. That is not the question I asked, Mr Berryman.
Has there been detailed work done on it or not?
(Mr Berryman) I think not. That would be something that by
inspection you could see could not be done.
1349. Did you say "I think not"?
(Mr Berryman) Yes I did.
1350. And so the decision was reached to not
upgrade this station without detailed work being done to see whether
it was feasible?
(Mr Berryman) No, not at all. As I explained to you some
time ago, a design was done for every station to establish what
the cost would be of putting MIP access in. That included this
one. It is on that basis that the cost was assessed and the comparison
was made with the number of passengers. I thought I had explained
this some time ago.
1351. BARONESS FOOKES: Yes, you did.
1352. CHAIRMAN: Mr Reed, I think you
may have come to a point where you are going on to something else.
Can I just remind you that you said that you would produce the
up-to-date ward maps for Newham. We have now got some sort of
figures for the catchment area for each of these stations and
a plan which shows in pink or blue or whatever where they come
from. You have given us some disability figures per ward, but
the correlation between the catchment areas and the wards and
the figures is something that we will need to be able to do, and
what we have not got at the moment is the wards. So before the
end of the day I hope we may have those.
1353. MR REED: Indeed, my Lord. As I
understood it, it was going to be ready by lunchtime but I will
certainly check to see what the position is.
1354. CHAIRMAN: We did raise this yesterday
and you said that you would deal with it. It is not a very difficult
matter, it is a matter of drawing ward boundaries on a plan.
1355. MR REED: I think it was the logistics
simply of getting a plan copied and to the House.
1356. CHAIRMAN: I will leave the logistics
to you but we do want those, please. I think we will break now
until half past two.
After a short adjournment
1357. CHAIRMAN: Mr Reed?
1358. MR REED: My Lord, before I begin
to carry on my cross-examination, I hope your Lordships have a
copy of the ward map.
1359. CHAIRMAN: Yes, that is very helpful,
thank you very much.
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