Select Committee on the Crossrail Bill Minutes of Evidence

Examination of Witnesses (Questions 1380 - 1399)

  1380. That is right, there, which are accessing Manor Park?
  (Mr Berryman) That is right, yes, there are.

  1381. Can we just understand the bus accessibility position.[34] I have not heard that you have disputed anything that Mr West had to say about the location of the bus stops at both Forest Gate and Manor Park. Am I right?

  (Mr Berryman) You are perfectly correct there. We would not suggest that anybody would actually try to use the bus to get from Manor Park Station to Forest Gate Station.

  1382. So just to be clear, you are saying that nobody would use the bus to get from Manor Park Station to Forest Gate? In the residential areas surrounding Manor Park, you are, however, relying on bus accessibility, are you not?
  (Mr Berryman) We are. I would envisage that, if anyone lived in the Manor Park area and wanted to get to the Forest Gate area, they would actually use the bus rather than use the train, in any event. All I am saying is that we would not imagine any sane person would make a journey from Manor Park Station to Forest Gate Station by bus, and why should they want to, unless they happen to live immediately adjacent to Manor Park Station and visit somebody immediately adjacent to Forest Gate Station?

  1383. Yes, of course. Of course, one is looking at the question of accessibility in a logical way and, in doing so, can we just test some of your theories please. First, do you accept that, if you are accessing from some of those catchments that are identified on that plan to the south, you will have to undertake a change of bus in order to get to Forest Gate?
  (Mr Berryman) From this area (indicating)?

  1384. Further south.
  (Mr Berryman) To get to Forest Gate Station?

  1385. Yes, go further south.
  (Mr Berryman) These down here (indicating)?

  1386. Yes, there and then north and then slightly further north there (indicating).
  (Mr Berryman) If you wanted to go to Forest Gate Station and you wanted to go all the way by bus, you would have to change, yes, you would, but why would you want to go from there to Forest Gate Station, unless you were visiting someone who lived in the immediate environs of Forest Gate Station?

  1387. I understood that your point was that you take the bus in order to get to an accessible station.
  (Mr Berryman) That is right.

  1388. We are not talking about people who might be accessing the bus system in order to go and see people in and around Forest Gate, we are talking about accessing the Crossrail system.
  (Mr Berryman) But the buses that run down this road, Romford Road, actually go to Stratford, and Stratford, as I think you are aware, is an extremely accessible station.

  1389. But looking at the catchment area for Manor Park, and you have just pointed to some of those in the southern areas, you would still be changing buses, would you not, because you would take a bus from the south.
  (Mr Berryman) From there (indicating)?

  1390. Go left, if you will. Do you see there is a road going north?
  (Mr Berryman) I do.

  1391. There is a bus that goes up there, is there not?
  (Mr Berryman) There is a bus that runs on that route.

  1392. You would take that bus, would you not, and then you would have to change in order to get on to the Romford Road to go to Stratford?
  (Mr Berryman) If you wanted to go to Stratford, you would. If you wanted to go to Central London, you would be unlikely to go up there and catch a bus down there, but you would be tempted to go here (indicating) and catch the Underground at this point on the District Line.

  1393. Yes, but we can see that people are using the Manor Park area, so they want to access that particular line, do they not?
  (Mr Berryman) Yes, as I say, there are a number of outliers and you always get this in this kind of survey.

  1394. You say a number of outliers, but I can see three identified in a one-day survey undertaken in a three-hour a.m. peak.
  (Mr Berryman) Yes, but we do not know why those outliers exist. There is always a small number of people who appear to make what, at first sight, look to be illogical journeys, and there are all kinds of reasons why that may happen. Perhaps someone who lives here (indicating) needs to go into Central London and has a partner who works up here somewhere (indicating), so the partner gives them a lift there. There are all kinds of reasons why people make journeys which, at first sight, do not seem logical.

  1395. But, if you go to the main area around Manor Park and you go to the south-east edge of that and then go to, if you will, the centre of the biggest pink area where the Romford Road goes, that distance, is it fair to say that that is equivalent to the distance from Maryland to Stratford?
  (Mr Berryman) About that, yes.

  1396. So what you are saying is that, firstly, the mobility-restricted are going to have to find a bus route to get to the Romford Road, change buses and then how long is that route from Romford Road to Stratford please?
  (Mr Berryman) It depends on the traffic. It takes between five and ten minutes.

  1397. How long in terms of distance?
  (Mr Berryman) It will be about three kilometres.

  1398. Have you done that bus trip?
  (Mr Berryman) I have.

  1399. Have you done it in the a.m. peak?
  (Mr Berryman) No, I have done it in the inter-peak, about four o'clock in the afternoon.

34   Crossrail Ref: P8, Manor Park-Local bus services (NEWMLB-53_04-005) Back

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