Examination of Witnesses (Questions 7160
7160. MR CAMERON: My Lord, yes, but one
aspect to those advantages has been the subject of calculation
at page 49 which is increased accessibility of people living in
Belvedere, for example, and it could be an example further down
the line, to jobs, so that people who do not have jobs have a
better chance of getting a job because there are more available
to them within 45 minutes, and people have a better chance of
setting up a business because they have wider access to a wider
pool of potential employees, and those factors were highly significant
in the precise calculationsnot that they can be precise
because they themselves are estimatesthat were carried
out in the Crossrail Business Case, so the essential information
you would need is there.45
The next stage of making an assumption as to a particular number
of jobs is not an exercise that has been done.
7161. LORD BROOKE OF ALVERTHORPE: Was
this exhibit given to the Commons Select Committee?
7162. MR CAMERON: That exhibit was not
given. Pages 43 and 44 were given and pages 45-51 were not before
the Commons Select Committee, and the reason we have introduced
them this time is that when Mr Berryman gave evidence he placed
particular emphasis on the point that there were improved interchange
facilities at Abbey Wood, which there are, and the purpose of
this evidence is to show there is still a time penalty and the
effect it has.
7163. CHAIRMAN: But those pages are based
upon figures taken from the Business Case assuming it all opens
in 2013, is that right?
7164. MR CAMERON: No, my Lord. Those
figures are taken from an exercise done by the Mouchel transport
planner on behalf of Bexley for this appearance, and the material
comes from census information and transport models and the time
it takes to get from one place to another, taking account of interchanges.
7165. CHAIRMAN: And what dates are being
7166. MR CAMERON: Can I just check that,
my Lord? I have a note which is dated yesterday.
7167. CHAIRMAN: Please do.
(Counsel took instructions.)
7168. MR CAMERON: My Lord, they are based
on the most up-to-date census information which is the 2001 Census
as to where people live and where employment is, and in terms
of journey times they are taken from the most up-to-date train
times and other public transport timetables.
7169. CHAIRMAN: Existing trains?
7170. MR CAMERON: Existing, and then
it compares with Crossrail.
7171. CHAIRMAN: Yes, but Crossrail when?
This is what I am trying to get at all the time. What assumption
have you made about the timing of Crossrail?
7172. MR CAMERON: Can I just check that,
(Counsel took instructions.)
7173. My Lord, what I am instructed is that
it could be any point in time because what it is comparing is
access to number of people with or without Crossrail, so the population
remains the same and the jobs remain the same but what you do
is you change the train timetable because you can get to those
jobs or those people quicker because you do not have to change.
7174. CHAIRMAN: Page 49, the first line,
assumes that Crossrail gets to Abbey Wood. That must be 2017.
7175. MR CAMERON: My Lord, those population
figures are based on the 2001 Census.
7176. CHAIRMAN: Yes, but what date does
Crossrail get to Abbey Wood for these purposes?
7177. MR CAMERON: What I have just been
instructed is no particular date is assumed. The two main variables
are what is the population, that is taken from the 2001 Census
figures, and how long does it take to get from A to B, and no
particular time has been assumed. What has happened is we have
looked at train timetables with and without Crossrail.
7178. CHAIRMAN: You say "Increase
due to Crossrail", population, working population and employment.
7179. MR CAMERON: Within 45 minutes.
If you do not have to interchange, so you do not have the 15-minute
time penalty, you can reach more people.
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