Examination of Witnesses (Questions 10800
10800. MR MOULD: I am going to put up
The traffic is going clockwise around here
(Mr Andrade) There is just one way of traffic
and everyone would have to go round the perimeter now, whereas
before it could go across and up and down. It is constrained now.
The traffic flow is frightening.
10801. We have marked on this plan the parking
and loading bays and you can see that there are bays available
on each side of the market complex, are there not?
(Mr Andrade) There are bays available, yes.
10802. Well, it is something that remains to
be done but the Corporation of London are a traffic authority
and also your freeholders, are they not?
(Mr Andrade) Yes.
10803. One of the things we have agreed as part
of the arrangements that are set out in the deed that we were
showing the Committee earlier is that Crossrail, the nominated
undertaker, the Corporation as traffic management authority and,
indeed, your representative organisation, Mr Lawrence, and the
Tenants' Association, should get together and should consult and
think about arrangements that need to be made to manage the flow
of traffic and parking and so forth whilst the Crossrail works
are going on, so that the best possible solution to those arrangements
can be achieved.
(Mr Andrade) That would be a very laudable goal; we do try
that. You can imagine people trying to get in and out very quickly,
it is always a pressure on us. We are very vulnerable, fragile
in that respect.
10804. The only point I am making is that is
what we have said we will do. We have said we will have those
discussions which will include your association?
(Mr Andrade) Yes, you have.
10805. So the opportunity is there?
(Mr Andrade) There is always scope for discussion, yes.
10806. LORD BROOKE OF ALVETHORPE: When
was that suggestion made?
10807. MR MOULD: No later than February
10808. LORD BROOKE OF ALVETHORPE: So there has
been no action on that since?
10809. MR MOULD: Well, certainly the
Corporation and ourselves will have been discussing traffic management
measures, but the time for detailed arrangements being set in
order to resolve from time to time during the construction phase
how traffic should be managed around the market is when we are
much clearer as to what the work is going to be. For example,
when we are absolutely clear what is going to be happening on
the Lindsey Street worksite.
10810. LORD BROOKE OF ALVETHORPE: But
if we can go back to what happened in Spitalfields, where a forum
has been established and this Committee was anxious to ensure
it was working, and that was in advance of the work taking place,
we were making suggestions that there should be a closer relationship
with the local public authorities, with the local authority and
with the health authorities, and it would seem here in relation
to dust and health factors arising, and I have been going very
quickly through the expert witness documents, that there is a
case for a forum to be established that will deal with all the
issues, particularly in relation to health, and I wonder why you
have not decided to pull the health authorities into it to try
to meet some of the points which have been raised today.
10811. MR MOULD: I do not think we have
decided not to pull all the relevant authorities in: I think so
far as we have identified relevant authorities, insofar as dust
and environmental controls are concerned that is a matter for
the City. They have statutory regulatory powers for dust suppression
under Schedule 7 of the Bill. Likewise we have established arrangements
for traffic management and liaison with the City Corporation,
and we will have fora for liaison more generally which will broadly
follow the model of the Spitalfields body along the route. The
reason why the Spitalfields one has been advanced rather is because
there was so much concern about alleged misinformation in consultation
rounds at the time when the House of Commons heard petitioners
from Spitalfields petitioning.
10812. LORD BROOKE OF ALVETHORPE: But
there was an understandable concern that the works development
then may have an impact on the health of the local population
and similarly we are dealing with health issues. We can deal with
the parking, yes, nearer the works taking place on a tripartite
basis, but I would have thought there might be a case now, would
you not agree, that the three parties involvedthe City,
yourselves and the traders and their representativesshould
be talking about the health aspects and taking all steps to mitigate
any potential problems that might arise?
10813. MR MOULD: I do agree, and I hope
I am right in saying that the contractual arrangements set out
in the draft deed, which reflect assurances given earlier, are
intended to enable that to happen. You will, of course, appreciate
that this resolves down to the question of dust
10814. LORD BROOKE OF ALVETHORPE: Yes.
10815. MR MOULD: and it is precisely
in relation to dust management and monitoring and so forth that
we have these detailed arrangements set out in the deed. I see
no reason in principle why those discussions should not start
tomorrow, if that is something that the Tenants' Association would
wish to do.
10816. LORD BROOKE OF ALVETHORPE: And
what is the witness' response to that?
(Mr Andrade) Who could be against it?
10817. MR MOULD: I think we are all ferociously
agreeing with each other, really! I have no further questions.
Examined by THE
10818. CHAIRMAN: Are the bays in Lindsey
(Mr Andrade) No,
they are just parking bays. Loading bays you could call them.
10819. So there is no unloading of meat there
(Mr Andrade) No. There is no ingress of carcass meat from
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