Select Committee on the Crossrail Bill Minutes of Evidence

Examination of Witnesses (Questions 10820 - 10839)

  10820. LORD YOUNG OF NORWOOD GREEN: Can we see the loading bays?[19]

  (Mr Andrade) The loading bays are confined to the areas where carcass meat is handled, and that is on one side of the east market and both sides of the west market.

  10821. Four on the top of this diagram and then two —
  (Mr Andrade) Yes. There are four on the top, yes, two each side on the west and the east and just two on the south side of the west—the ones in Lindsey Street are just areas where vehicles can park.

  10822. CHAIRMAN: And what about the central corridor, the Lindsey Street end? What sort of door or closure is there there?
  (Mr Andrade) Do you know, I should know the answer. I walk through it every day and I never thought about that. It has not got the same sliding doors that the service corridors have, but there is a shutter that comes down, I think. Am I right?

  10823. MR DINGEMANS: I would hate to give evidence but I am being told that it is plastic strips. Would you agree with that?
  (Mr Andrade) Yes, you walk through those.

  10824. CHAIRMAN: Do not worry, Mr Dingemans. Lots of counsel have given evidence so far!

  10825. Any re-examination?

  10826. MR DINGEMANS: No. I think the doors have been covered by the last question, thank you.

  10827. CHAIRMAN: Thank you for coming.

The witness withdrew

  10828. MR DINGEMANS: That is my evidence.

  10829. CHAIRMAN: Any evidence, Mr Mould?

  10830. MR MOULD: Mr Berryman very briefly, just to deal with three points.

MR KEITH BERRYMAN, recalled Examination by MR MOULD

  10831. MR MOULD: Mr Berryman, you are well known to everybody so I need not take time introducing you. Can we just touch very quickly on the position as regards the proposed works for the eastern ticket hall, page 054?[20]

  (Mr Berryman) Yes. This describes the works included in the Bill, and consists of a number of significant elements on the Lindsey Street site itself, but perhaps most significantly in the matters that we are discussing it includes an escalator box which goes right underneath Smithfield Market and would have required the roof of the market to be temporarily supported whilst it was constructed. As I said a lot in the Commons, anything in engineering is possible, it is just a question of how much it costs, and this really came into the category of anything is possible but it would have been quite a difficult job. Fortunately we were saved by the fact that the decision was made to close the Thameslink branch, which goes across the middle, and that gave us the opportunity to simplify the arrangements considerably (slide 056 displayed) by turning the escalators through 90 degrees so they almost intersect with the Thameslink lines—these would have been impossible to build if Thameslink had still been in operation because they would have been so very close to the operating line—and rearrange the escalator access to get down to the level of the platforms more conveniently without going into the market building. At the same time a decision was made that this station entrance would not have a ticket office, only machines, and that also allowed us to significantly reduce the size of the works. So it has been possible to produce a scheme now which fits entirely within this box, the Lindsey Street box, without going into the market space at all.

  10832. Just staying with this, I want the Committee to be hearing it from you as to what the likelihood is of this particular provision being the final outcome. We have said "best endeavours" to produce a scheme along these lines rather than the earlier scheme. Can you help the Committee: what would you expect to be the scheme that is built in this case?
  (Mr Berryman) I would be absolutely astonished if the scheme that is built is not something similar to this. The only reason we kept the "best endeavours" thing in rather than just saying a straight "we'll do it this way" is, obviously, on the advice of lawyers, because we have not quite finished our site investigation in the area. For the life of me, I cannot think of anything that we could discover at this stage which would prevent us doing that scheme as it is.

  10833. MR MOULD: Thank you. Can we then, please, turn to another point, and that is the question—

  10834. LORD YOUNG OF NORWOOD GREEN: You say you have done some site investigation.
  (Mr Berryman) Yes, we have done the first round of site investigation. This is not a matter that has come up very much but, obviously, site investigation is an ongoing process, and the ground in this—not so much just here but where the station platforms are—is the most difficult geology on the site. So there is the potential for some faults or something across the site. However, although that would create difficulty with the tunnelling it would not affect the construction of this box, if such a thing was found. I cannot really think of anything which we are likely to find which will prevent this box from being built.

  10835. CHAIRMAN: Where is the access going to be for the works on this box?
  (Mr Berryman) The access will be mainly along this side, here, the Lindsey Street side. The one-way system around here comes round like that, and what we will be doing is using the parking bays on this side of the road during the day for our delivery vehicles to bring things in. We will also be taking, even though we have no works in it, part of the lower basement of the market building to find room for our site offices, because, you can take it from me, the site is very constrictive, so to find some place for site accommodation we will be using the lower basement of the east market. The deliveries will be mainly via Lindsey Street on the non-market side.

  10836. Is there going to be spoil excavated and taken away in lorries?
  (Mr Berryman) There will be spoil excavated and taken away in lorries. That will go out through this—there will also be a site entrance here to allow concrete mixers and spoil lorries to go into the site, and they will come out and go down that way.

  10837. That is simply a matter of dust-sheeting being efficient, is it?
  (Mr Berryman) It is keeping everything wet, properly washing the wheels of the lorries, and so on, and sheeting all the vehicles that are used, yes, my Lord.

  10838. MR MOULD: As we are on dust suppression measures, could you explain the other measures that would be put in place in relation to this worksite?
  (Mr Berryman) I think the first activity that goes on on here is demolition of the existing building. In a way, that is probably the activity that would have the potential to generate the most dust. The way that that will be dealt with is the fairly standard way now in Central London these many years, where the building is completely sheeted with plastic sheets which are taped together to keep any dust which is generated inside that plastic sheeting structure. Also, in this case, because this is a category 3 site, we will be using continuously running water sprays into the site whilst the demolition takes place, because the best way of suppressing dust is with water. Once the demolition is finished—

  10839. LORD YOUNG OF NORWOOD GREEN: Is there any asbestos on the site?
  (Mr Berryman) We do not know, my Lord. Unfortunately, the only way you can find that out is by an intrusive survey. If there is asbestos on the site—and, of course, I should emphasise it is hard for us to do an intrusive survey until we have got the powers which will be conferred by this Bill—

19   Crossrail Ref: P73, Smithfield Market-Location of Parking and Loading Bays (SCN-20080502-034) Back

20   Committee Ref: P73, Farringdon Station-Lindsay Street End-Interchange Level 1 (LONDLB-23-04-054) Back

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