House of Lords Journal 241 (Session 2007-08)

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Thursday 7 February 2008

The House met at 11.00am.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Hayman, B. (Lord Speaker)

Acton, L.
Adams of Craigielea, B.
Addington, L.
Adebowale, L.
Afshar, B.
Ahmed, L.
Alderdice, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Andrews, B.
Anelay of St Johns, B.
Armstrong of Ilminster, L.
Ashdown of Norton-sub-
Hamdon, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Ashton of Upholland, B.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Bach, L.
Barker, B.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Berkeley, L.
Best, L.
Bhatia, L.
Bilimoria, L.
Billingham, B.
Bilston, L.
Blaker, L.
Bonham-Carter of Yarnbury, B.
Boothroyd, B.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bradshaw, L.
Bragg, L.
Bramall, L.
Brett, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Bridges, L.
Broers, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brooke of Sutton Mandeville, L.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnett, L.
Buscombe, B.
Butler of Brockwell, L.
Butler-Sloss, B.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell-Savours, L.
Carter of Coles, L.
Cathcart, E.
Cavendish of Furness, L.
Chandos, V.
Chidgey, L.
Chorley, L.
Christopher, L.
Clark of Windermere, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cohen of Pimlico, B.
Colwyn, L.
Condon, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Corbett of Castle Vale, L.
Corston, B.
Cotter, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crisp, L.
Cunningham of Felling, L.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
De Mauley, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Dear, L.
Dearing, L.
Denham, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donoughue, L.
D’Souza, B.
Dubs, L.
Dykes, L.
Eames, L.
Eatwell, L.
Elder, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Elystan-Morgan, L.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Evans of Temple Guiting, L.
Evans of Watford, L.
Falkland, V.
Falkner of Margravine, B.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Fearn, L.
Ferrers, E.
Filkin, L.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Ford, B.
Forsyth of Drumlean, L.
Foster of Bishop Auckland, L.
Fowler, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freeman, L.
Gale, B.
Garden of Frognal, B.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geddes, L.
Gilbert, L.
Glasgow, E.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Golding, B.
Goodhart, L.
Goodlad, L.
Goudie, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Greaves, L.
Greengross, B.
Greenway, L.
Griffiths of Fforestfach, L.
Grocott, L.
Hanham, B.
Hanningfield, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harris of Richmond, B.
Harrison, L.
Hart of Chilton, L.
Hastings of Scarisbrick, L.
Haworth, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Henig, B.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Hooper, B.
Howarth of Newport, L.
Howe, E.
Howe of Aberavon, L.
Howe of Idlicote, B.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Inge, L.
Inglewood, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L.
Jacobs, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Ewelme, L.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jones, L.
Jones of Cheltenham, L.
Jones of Whitchurch, B.
Jordan, L.
Judd, L.
Kerr of Kinlochard, L.
King of Bridgwater, L.
King of West Bromwich, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinnock, L.
Kirkhill, L.
Kirkwood of Kirkhope, L.
Laird, L.
Lamont of Lerwick, L.
Lawson of Blaby, L.
Leach of Fairford, L.
Lewis of Newnham, L.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Lipsey, L.
Listowel, E.
Liverpool, E.
Lloyd-Webber, L.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.

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Low of Dalston, L.
Lucas, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McAlpine of West Green, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
MacGregor of Pulham Market, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
MacKenzie of Culkein, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
McKenzie of Luton, L.
McNally, L.
Mancroft, L.
Mar, C.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Massey of Darwen, B.
Mawhinney, L.
Mawson, L.
Maxton, L.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Methuen, L.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Morgan of Drefelin, B.
Morris of Aberavon, L.
Morris of Bolton, B.
Morris of Handsworth, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Moynihan, L.
Murphy, B.
Naseby, L.
Neville-Jones, B.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Northover, B.
Norton of Louth, L.
O’Cathain, B.
O’Neill of Clackmannan, L.
Ouseley, L.
Palmer, L.
Parekh, L.
Patel of Blackburn, L.
Patel of Bradford, L.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Pendry, L.
Peston, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plumb, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prashar, B.
Prosser, B.
Prys-Davies, L.
Quin, B.
Quinton, L.
Quirk, L.
Radice, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Ramsbotham, L.
Rawlings, B.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rees of Ludlow, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Rennard, L.
Richard, L.
Richardson of Calow, B.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Roberts of Llandudno, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rooker, L.
Rosser, L.
Rosslyn, E.
Rowe-Beddoe, L.
Rowlands, L.
Royall of Blaisdon, B.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St John of Fawsley, L.
Sandberg, L.
Sandwich, E.
Sawyer, L.
Scott of Needham Market, B.
Seccombe, B.
Selborne, E.
Selsdon, L.
Sewel, L.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Sheldon, L.
Shephard of Northwold, B.
Shutt of Greetland, L.
Simon, V.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Finsbury, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Snape, L.
Soley, L.
Southwark, Bp.
Southwell and Nottingham, Bp.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stern, B.
Stewartby, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Sutherland of Houndwood, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Bolton, B.
Temple-Morris, L.
Teverson, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thornton, B.
Tomlinson, L.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trimble, L.
Trumpington, B.
Truscott, L.
Turnberg, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Uddin, B.
Ullswater, V.
Verma, B.
Waddington, L.
Wakeham, L.
Wall of New Barnet, B.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walmsley, B.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warner, L.
Warnock, B.
Warsi, B.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
West of Spithead, L.
Whitaker, B.
Whitty, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williamson of Horton, L.
Windlesham, L.
Woolf, L.
Woolmer of Leeds, L.
Young of Norwood Green, L.

Prayers were read by the Lord Bishop of Southwell and Nottingham.

Public Business

1    Africa: flooding A question was asked by Baroness Rawlings and answered by Lord Davies of Oldham.

2    Disabled people: Blue Badge Scheme A question was asked by Lord Clement-Jones and answered by Lord Bassam of Brighton.

3    Climate change: aviation A question was asked by Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall and answered by Lord Bassam of Brighton.

4    Energy: wind farms A question was asked by Lord Berkeley and answered by Baroness Taylor of Bolton.

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5    Business of the House The Lord President (Baroness Ashton of Upholland) moved that the debates on the motions in the names of Baroness Corston and Lord Harrison set down for today shall each be limited to 2½ hours. The motion was agreed to.

6    Northumberland (Structural Change) Order 2008

Wiltshire (Structural Change) Order 2008

County Durham (Structural Change) Order 2008

Cornwall (Structural Change) Order 2008

Shropshire (Structural Change) Order 2008

Pneumoconiosis etc. (Workers’ Compensation) (Payment of Claims) (Amendment) Regulations 2008

Guaranteed Minimum Pensions Increase Order 2008

Social Security Benefits Up-rating Order 2008

The Lord President (Baroness Ashton of Upholland) moved that the instruments be referred to a Grand Committee en bloc. The motion was agreed to.

7    Liaison The Chairman of Committees moved that the First Report from the Select Committee (HL Paper 33) be agreed to. Then Lord Barnett moved, as an amendment to the original motion, at end to insert “save for the recommendation in paragraph 7 relating to the Barnett Formula, and that this House approves the proposal for the establishment of an ad hoc select committee to review the Barnett Formula.” After debate, the amendment was withdrawn. Then the original motion was agreed to.

8    Criminal justice: women (2½-hour debate) Baroness Corston moved for papers relating to the Report by Baroness Corston entitled Review of Women with Particular Vulnerabilities in the Criminal Justice System, and the Government’s response (Cm 7261). After debate, the motion was withdrawn.

9    Police: Flanagan Review Lord West of Spithead repeated a ministerial statement made in the House of Commons.

10    Museums and galleries (2½-hour debate) Lord Harrison moved for papers relating to the policy to grant free entry to national museums, any subsequent assessment of the policy and any further policies the Government have to broaden the profile of those coming to museums and galleries. After debate, the motion was withdrawn.

The House adjourned at 6.01pm until Monday 18 February at 2.30pm.

Grand Committee Business

The Grand Committee met in the Moses Room at 2.00pm.

Child Maintenance and Other Payments Bill The Grand Committee further considered the bill, beginning with amendment 102. Amendments were agreed to. The Committee adjourned after amendment 191.

The Committee adjourned at 5.51pm.


All statutory instruments laid before the House are accompanied by an Explanatory Memorandum presented by command of Her Majesty, unless otherwise indicated.

Command Papers

The following papers were presented to the House by command of Her Majesty:

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1    Pay Review Bodies—

      (1)  Report of the Armed Forces’ Pay Review Body.     (7315)

      (2)  Report of the Prison Service Pay Review Body for England and Wales.     (7325)

2    Environment—Report of the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs on the Government’s water strategy for England.     (7319)

3    Explanatory Memorandum (Revised)— Replacement Explanatory Memorandum to the Legal Services Act 2007 (Commencement No. 1 and Transitory Provisions) Order 2008, SI2008/222. (5 February)     (—)

Affirmative Instrument

The following instrument was laid before the House for approval by resolution:

Draft Occupational Pension Schemes (Levy Ceiling) Order 2008, laid under the Pensions Act 2004.

Negative Instruments

The following instruments were laid before the House:

1    Firefighters’ Pension Scheme (England) (Amendment) Order 2008, laid under the Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004.     (213)

2    Firefighters’ Pension Scheme (Amendment) (England) Order 2008, laid under the Fire Services Act 1947.     (214)

3    School Finance (England) Regulations 2008, laid under the School Standards and Framework Act 1998.     (228)

4    Armed Forces (Gurkha Pensions) (Amendment) Order 2008, laid under the Armed Forces (Pensions and Compensation) Act 2004.     (229)

5    Education (Student Support) (Amendment) Regulations 2008, laid under the Teaching and Higher Education Act 1998.     (235)

Judicial Business

1    Yeda Research and Development Company Limited (Appellants) v Rhone-Poulenc Rorer International Holdings Inc and others (Respondents) Further to the Order of the House of 24 October 2007 (52nd Report, Session 2006-07; [2007] UKHL 43) it was ordered that the respondents do pay or cause to be paid to the appellants their costs in this House, the amount of such costs to be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties, and also their costs in Her Majesty’s Court of Appeal and in the Chancery Division of Her Majesty’s High Court of Justice, the amount of such costs to the determined by a Costs Judge if not agreed between the parties.

2    R (on the application of Countryside Alliance and others and others (Appellants)) v Her Majesty’s Attorney General and another (Respondents)

3    R (on the application of Countryside Alliance and others (Appellants) and others) v Her Majesty’s Attorney General and another (Respondents)

(Conjoined Appeals)

Further to the Order of the House of Wednesday 28 November 2007 (4th Report, Session 2007-08; [2007] UKHL 52) It was ordered that the appellants do pay or cause to be paid to the respondents their costs of the appeals in this House, the amount of such costs to be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.

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4    OB (by his mother and litigation friend) (Respondent) v Aventis Pasteur SA (Appellants) (England) The appeal of Aventis Pasteur SA was presented and it was ordered that in accordance with Standing Order VI the statement and appendix thereto be lodged on or before 20 March.

5    Kensington International Limited (Respondents) v Republic of Congo (formerly the People’s Republic of Congo) and others (Petitioners) Upon application by the petitioners (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) it was ordered that the petition be withdrawn and that there be no order as to costs.

6    Appeal Committee The 29th Report from the Appeal Committee was agreed to and the following Order was made:

In re R (children) (AP) (Northern Ireland) That leave to appeal be refused; that the costs of the petitioner be taxed in accordance with the Access to Justice Act 1999; that the respondent be at liberty to apply for his costs in accordance with direction 5.1(c); and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.