House of Lords Journal 241 (Session 2007-08)


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Wednesday 16 July 2008

The House met at 3.00pm.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Hayman, B. (Lord Speaker)

Acton, L.
Adams of Craigielea, B.
Addington, L.
Ahmed, L.
Alderdice, L.
Alli, L.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anderson of Swansea, L.
Anelay of St Johns, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Armstrong of Ilminster, L.
Ashdown of Norton-sub-
Hamdon, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Ashton of Upholland, B.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Bach, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Barker, B.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Berkeley, L.
Bernstein of Craigweil, L.
Best, L.
Bew, L.
Bhatia, L.
Bhattacharyya, L.
Bilimoria, L.
Billingham, B.
Bilston, L.
Birt, L.
Blackstone, B.
Bledisloe, V.
Blood, B.
Boothroyd, B.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Boyce, L.
Boyd of Duncansby, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bradley, L.
Bradshaw, L.
Bragg, L.
Bramall, L.
Brennan, L.
Brett, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Broers, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brooke of Sutton Mandeville, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Browne of Belmont, L.
Burnett, L.
Burns, L.
Buscombe, B.
Butler of Brockwell, L.
Butler-Sloss, B.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell-Savours, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carter of Coles, L.
Cathcart, E.
Chapman, B.
Chester, Bp.
Chidgey, L.
Chorley, L.
Christopher, L.
Clark of Windermere, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cobbold, L.
Cohen of Pimlico, B.
Colville of Culross, V.
Colwyn, L.
Condon, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Corbett of Castle Vale, L.
Cotter, L.
Courtown, E.
Coussins, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Crathorne, L.
Crawley, B.
Crickhowell, L.
Crisp, L.
Croham, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Cunningham of Felling, L.
Dahrendorf, L.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
De Mauley, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Dearing, L.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donoughue, L.
D’Souza, B.
Dubs, L.
Dundee, E.
Dykes, L.
Eden of Winton, L.
Elder, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Emerton, B.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Evans of Temple Guiting, L.
Exeter, Bp.
Ezra, L.
Falkender, B.
Falkland, V.
Falkner of Margravine, B.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Fellowes, L.
Ferrers, E.
Finlay of Llandaff, B.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Ford, B.
Forsyth of Drumlean, L.
Foster of Bishop Auckland, L.
Foulkes of Cumnock, L.
Fowler, L.

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Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freeman, L.
Fyfe of Fairfield, L.
Gale, B.
Garden of Frognal, B.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Gavron, L.
Geddes, L.
Gibson of Market Rasen, B.
Giddens, L.
Gilbert, L.
Glasgow, E.
Glentoran, L.
Golding, B.
Goodhart, L.
Goodlad, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gould of Brookwood, L.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grantchester, L.
Greaves, L.
Greengross, B.
Greenway, L.
Griffiths of Burry Port, L.
Griffiths of Fforestfach, L.
Grocott, L.
Hamwee, B.
Hanham, B.
Hanningfield, L.
Harries of Pentregarth, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harris of Richmond, B.
Harrison, L.
Hart of Chilton, L.
Haskel, L.
Hastings of Scarisbrick, L.
Haworth, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Henig, B.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Howard of Rising, L.
Howarth of Breckland, B.
Howarth of Newport, L.
Howe, E.
Howe of Aberavon, L.
Howe of Idlicote, B.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howells of St. Davids, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Chesterton, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Inge, L.
Inglewood, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Ewelme, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Joffe, L.
Jones, L.
Jones of Birmingham, L.
Jones of Cheltenham, L.
Jones of Whitchurch, B.
Jopling, L.
Jordan, L.
Judd, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kerr of Kinlochard, L.
Kilclooney, L.
Kimball, L.
King of Bridgwater, L.
King of West Bromwich, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kingsmill, B.
Kinnock, L.
Kirkhill, L.
Kirkwood of Kirkhope, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Krebs, L.
Laing of Dunphail, L.
Laird, L.
Lamont of Lerwick, L.
Lane of Horsell, L.
Lawson of Blaby, L.
Lea of Crondall, L.
Lee of Trafford, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Levene of Portsoken, L.
Lindsay, E.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Lipsey, L.
Liverpool, E.
Livsey of Talgarth, L.
Lloyd of Berwick, L.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Low of Dalston, L.
Lucas, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
Lyell of Markyate, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McDonagh, B.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
MacGregor of Pulham Market, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
MacKenzie of Culkein, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
McKenzie of Luton, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
Maclennan of Rogart, L.
McNally, L.
Maginnis of Drumglass, L.
Mancroft, L.
Manningham-Buller, B.
Mar, C.
Marland, L.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Massey of Darwen, B.
Mawhinney, L.
Mawson, L.
Maxton, L.
May of Oxford, L.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Methuen, L.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Mogg, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Montrose, D.
Moonie, L.
Moran, L.
Morgan, L.
Morgan of Drefelin, B.
Morgan of Huyton, B.
Morris of Aberavon, L.
Morris of Bolton, B.
Morris of Handsworth, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Morrow, L.
Moser, L.
Murphy, B.
Naseby, L.
Neuberger, B.
Neville-Jones, B.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Noakes, B.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton of Louth, L.
Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L.
O’Cathain, B.
O’Neill of Bengarve, B.
O’Neill of Clackmannan, L.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Ouseley, L.
Owen, L.
Oxburgh, L.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Patel, L.
Patel of Blackburn, L.
Patel of Bradford, L.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Pendry, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prosser, B.
Prys-Davies, L.
Quin, B.
Quinton, L.
Quirk, L.
Radice, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Ramsbotham, L.
Rana, L.
Rawlings, B.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees of Ludlow, L.
Rees-Mogg, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Rennard, L.
Richard, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Roberts of Llandudno, L.
Robertson of Port Ellen, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rogan, L.
Rooker, L.
Roper, L.
Rosser, L.
Rowlands, L.
Royall of Blaisdon, B.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Ryder of Wensum, L.

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St. John of Bletso, L.
St John of Fawsley, L.
Sandberg, L.
Sandwich, E.
Sawyer, L.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Seccombe, B.
Selborne, E.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Selsdon, L.
Sewel, L.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Sharples, B.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Sheikh, L.
Sheldon, L.
Shephard of Northwold, B.
Sheppard of Didgemere, L.
Shrewsbury, E.
Shutt of Greetland, L.
Simon, V.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Finsbury, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Smith of Kelvin, L.
Smith of Leigh, L.
Snape, L.
Soley, L.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Stair, E.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Steinberg, L.
Stern, B.
Stewartby, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Sutherland of Houndwood, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Tanlaw, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Bolton, B.
Taylor of Holbeach, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Temple-Morris, L.
Tenby, V.
Teverson, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomas of Winchester, B.
Thornton, B.
Tomlinson, L.
Tonge, B.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Triesman, L.
Trimble, L.
Trumpington, B.
Truscott, L.
Tunnicliffe, L.
Turnberg, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Tyler, L.
Uddin, B.
Ullswater, V.
Vadera, B.
Verma, B.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakeham, L.
Wall of New Barnet, B.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walmsley, B.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warner, L.
Warnock, B.
Warsi, B.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Watson of Richmond, L.
Waverley, V.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
West of Spithead, L.
Whitaker, B.
Whitty, L.
Wilcox, B.
Wilkins, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williamson of Horton, L.
Wilson of Tillyorn, L.
Windlesham, L.
Winston, L.
Woolmer of Leeds, L.
Young of Hornsey, B.
Young of Norwood Green, L.

Prayers were read by the Lord Bishop of Exeter.

1    Journals of the House
The Clerk of the Parliaments laid on the Table a print of the General Index to ten volumes of the Journals of the House (Sessions 1993-94 to 2002-03 inclusive).

Select Committee Reports

2    Statutory Instruments
The following Report from the Joint Committee was made and ordered to be printed:

26th Report on certain statutory instruments, including the following affirmative instruments:

Draft Mental Health Act 2007 (Consequential Amendments) Order 2008
Draft Remand on Bail (Disapplication of Credit Period) Rules
Draft Freedom of Information (Parliament and National Assembly for Wales) Order 2008. (HL Paper 158)

3    Marine Bill, Draft
The following report from the Joint Committee was made and ordered to be printed:

Draft Marine Bill. (HL Paper 159)

Public Business

4    House of Lords: carbon footprint A question was asked by Lord Faulkner of Worcester and answered by the Chairman of Committees.

5    Photography: public places A question was asked by Lord Rosser and answered by Lord Bassam of Brighton.

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6    Gypsies and Travellers: 2011 Census A question was asked by Baroness Whitaker and answered by Lord Davies of Oldham.

7    Health: maternity services A question was asked by Baroness Coussins and answered by Baroness Thornton.

8    Liaison The Chairman of Committees moved that the 2nd Report from the Select Committee (HL Paper 142) be agreed to. After debate, the motion was agreed to,

9    Pensions Bill The bill was further considered in Committee, beginning with amendment 130EY. Amendments were considered. The House resumed after amendment 130FF.

10    Proceeds of Crime Act 2002 (Investigative Powers of Prosecutors in England, Wales and Northern Ireland: Code of Practice) Order 2008

Northern Ireland (Sentences) Act 1998 (Specified Organisations) Order 2008

Maternity and Parental Leave etc. and the Paternity and Adoption Leave (Amendment) Regulations 2008

Immigration (Supply of Information to the Secretary of State for Immigration Purposes) Order 2008

Immigration (Biometric Registration) (Civil Penalty Code of Practice) Order 2008

Immigration (Biometric Registration) Regulations 2008

Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) (Amendment No. 2) Order 2008

Crime (International Co-operation) Act 2003 (Designation of Participating Countries) (England, Wales and Northern Ireland) Order 2008

The Grand Committee reported that it had considered the draft instruments.

11    Crossrail Bill The report was received. Amendments were considered.

12    Criminal Injuries Compensation Scheme 2008 Lord Bach moved that the draft Scheme laid before the House on 18 June be approved. After debate, the motion was agreed to.

13    Pre-Legislative Scrutiny A question was asked by Lord Goodlad and, after debate, answered by Lord Hunt of Kings Heath.

The House adjourned at 8.15pm until 11.00am on Thursday 17 July.

Grand Committee Business

The Grand Committee met in the Moses Room at 3.45pm.

Proceeds of Crime Act 2002 (Investigative Powers of Prosecutors in England, Wales and Northern Ireland: Code of Practice) Order 2008 Baroness Scotland of Asthal moved that the Grand Committee do consider the draft Proceeds of Crime Act 2002 (Investigative Powers of Prosecutors in England, Wales and Northern Ireland: Code of Practice) Order 2008. After debate, the motion was agreed to.

Northern Ireland (Sentences) Act 1998 (Specified Organisations) Order 2008 Lord Rooker moved that the Grand Committee do consider the draft Northern Ireland (Sentences) Act 1998 (Specified Organisations) Order 2008. After debate, the motion was agreed to.

Maternity and Parental Leave etc. and the Paternity and Adoption Leave (Amendment) Regulations 2008 Baroness Vadera moved that the Grand Committee do consider the draft Maternity and Parental Leave etc. and the Paternity and Adoption Leave (Amendment) Regulations 2008. After debate, the motion was agreed to.

Immigration (Supply of Information to the Secretary of State for Immigration Purposes) Order 2008 Lord West of Spithead moved that the Grand Committee do consider the draft Immigration

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(Supply of Information to the Secretary of State for Immigration Purposes) Order 2008. After debate, the motion was agreed to.

Immigration (Biometric Registration) (Civil Penalty Code of Practice) Order 2008 Lord West of Spithead moved that the Grand Committee do consider the draft Immigration (Biometric Registration) (Civil Penalty Code of Practice) Order 2008. After debate, the motion was agreed to.

Immigration (Biometric Registration) Regulations 2008 Lord West of Spithead moved that the Grand Committee do consider the draft Immigration (Biometric Registration) Regulations 2008. The motion was agreed to.

Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) (Amendment No. 2) Order 2008 Lord West of Spithead moved that the Grand Committee do consider the draft Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) (Amendment No. 2) Order 2008. After debate, the motion was agreed to.

Crime (International Co-operation) Act 2003 (Designation of Participating Countries) (England, Wales and Northern Ireland) Order 2008 Lord West of Spithead moved that the Grand Committee do consider the draft Crime (International Co-operation) Act 2003 (Designation of Participating Countries) (England, Wales and Northern Ireland) Order 2008. After debate, the motion was agreed to.

The Committee adjourned at 6.04pm.

Papers

All statutory instruments laid before the House are accompanied by an Explanatory Memorandum presented by command of Her Majesty, unless otherwise indicated.

Command Papers

The following papers were presented to the House by command of Her Majesty:

1    Finance—Treasury Minutes on the First and Second Special Reports and the Sixteenth to the Twenty-Second Reports from the Committee of Public Accounts.     (7366)

2    Transport—Report of the Department for Transport on Roads.     (7445)

3    Apprenticeships Bill, Draft—Joint Report of the Department for Children, Schools and Families and the Department for Innovation, Universities and Skills on the Draft Apprenticeships Bill.     (7452)

4    Departmental Performance—Report and Accounts for 2007-08 of the Assets Recovery Agency.     (—)

Negative Instruments

The following instruments were laid before the House:

1    Air Navigation (Amendment) Order 2008, laid under the Civil Aviation Act 1982.     (1782)

2    Scotland Act 1998 (Agency Arrangements) (Specification) (No. 2) Order 2008, laid under the Scotland Act 1998.     (1788)

3    European Communities (Designation) (No. 2) Order 2008, laid under the European Communities Act 1972.     (1792)

Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings

The following papers were laid before the House:

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1    Report and Accounts for 2007-08 of the British Transport Police, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Railways and Transport Safety Act 2003.

2    (1)    Report and Accounts for 2007-08 of the Army Base Repair Organisation, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General

      (2)    Report and Accounts for 2007-08 of the Central Office of Information, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General

laid under the Government Trading Funds Act 1973.

3    Accounts for 2007-08 of the Serious Organised Crime Agency, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005.

4    Report for 2007-08 of HM Chief Inspectorate of Court Administration, laid under the Justices of the Peace Act 1997.

5    Report of Criminal Justice Inspection Northern Ireland on an Inspection of Approved Premises, laid under the Justice (Northern Ireland) Act 2002.

6    Report and Accounts for 2007-08 of the Northern Ireland Prison Service, laid under the Prison Act (Northern Ireland) 1953.

7    Report and Accounts for 2007-08 of the Children and Family Court Advisory and Support Service, laid under the Criminal Justice and Court Services Act 2000.

8    Report and Accounts for 2007-08 of the Biotechnology and Biological Sciences Research Council, laid under the Science and Technology Act 1965.

9    Report for 2006-07 listing the publications sent during the academic year as required by Section 38 of the Education Act 2002, laid under that Act.

10    Reports and Accounts for 2007-08 of the Meat and Livestock Commission and Meat Promotion Wales, laid under the Agriculture Act 1967.

11    Report for 2007-08 of the Local Government Ombudsman, laid under the Local Government Act 1974.

12    Report and Accounts for 2007-08 of the Thurrock Thames Gateway Development Corporation, laid under the Local Government, Planning and Land Act 1980.

13  (1)    Report and Accounts for 2007-08 of the Birmingham Children’s Hospital NHS Foundation Trust

      (2)    Report and Accounts for 2007-08 of the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust

laid under the National Health Service Act 2006.

14    Report and Accounts for 2007-08 of the Commission for Rural Communities, laid under the Natural Environment and Rural Communities Act 2006.

15    Report and Accounts for 2007-08 of British Waterways, laid under the Transport Act 1962.

16    Accounts for 2007-08 of the Heritage Lottery Fund and the National Heritage Memorial Fund Lottery Distribution, laid under the National Lottery etc. Act 1993.

17    Report and Accounts for 2007-08 of the National Maritime Museum, laid under the Museums and Galleries Act 1992.

18    Report and Accounts for 2007-08 of the National Heritage Memorial Fund, laid under the National Heritage Act 1980.

19    Report of the Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman on the regulation of Equitable Life Assurance Society prior to 1 December 2001, together with the regulatory regime, chronology

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of events, primary and secondary documents and guide to the main report and summary of findings and recommendations, laid under the Parliamentary Commissioner Act 1967.

20    Business Plan for 2008-09 of the Northern Ireland Legal Services Commission, laid under the Access to Justice (Northern Ireland) Order 2003.