House of Lords Journal 241 (Session 2007-08)


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Thursday 16 October 2008

The House met at 11.00am.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Hayman, B. (Lord Speaker)

Adams of Craigielea, B.
Addington, L.
Adonis, L.
Ahmed, L.
Alli, L.
Alliance, L.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anderson of Swansea, L.
Andrews, B.
Anelay of St Johns, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Armstrong of Ilminster, L.
Arran, E.
Ashdown of Norton-sub-
Hamdon, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Bach, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Barker, B.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Berkeley, L.
Best, L.
Bhatia, L.
Bilimoria, L.
Billingham, B.
Bilston, L.
Blaker, L.
Bonham-Carter of Yarnbury, B.
Boothroyd, B.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Boyd of Duncansby, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bradley, L.
Bradshaw, L.
Bragg, L.
Brett, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Broers, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brooke of Sutton Mandeville, L.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Browne of Belmont, L.
Burnett, L.
Buscombe, B.
Caithness, E.
Cameron of Dillington, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell-Savours, L.
Carlile of Berriew, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carter of Barnes, L.
Carter of Coles, L.
Cathcart, E.
Chadlington, L.
Chandos, V.
Chester, Bp.
Chorley, L.
Christopher, L.
Clark of Windermere, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cobbold, L.
Colville of Culross, V.
Colwyn, L.
Condon, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Corbett of Castle Vale, L.
Cotter, L.
Craig of Radley, L.

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Craigavon, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crawley, B.
Cunningham of Felling, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
De Mauley, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Dear, L.
Denham, L.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donoughue, L.
D’Souza, B.
Dubs, L.
Dundee, E.
Dykes, L.
Eames, L.
Eatwell, L.
Eccles, V.
Eccles of Moulton, B.
Elder, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Elystan-Morgan, L.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Evans of Temple Guiting, L.
Exeter, Bp.
Falkland, V.
Falkner of Margravine, B.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Ferrers, E.
Filkin, L.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Foster of Bishop Auckland, L.
Foulkes of Cumnock, L.
Fowler, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freeman, L.
Gale, B.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Gavron, L.
Geddes, L.
Gibson of Market Rasen, B.
Gilbert, L.
Glentoran, L.
Golding, B.
Goodhart, L.
Goodlad, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Goudie, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Greaves, L.
Greenway, L.
Griffiths of Fforestfach, L.
Grocott, L.
Hameed, L.
Hamilton of Epsom, L.
Hamwee, B.
Hanham, B.
Hannay of Chiswick, L.
Hanningfield, L.
Harries of Pentregarth, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harris of Richmond, B.
Harrison, L.
Hart of Chilton, L.
Haskel, L.
Haworth, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Howard of Rising, L.
Howarth of Breckland, B.
Howarth of Newport, L.
Howe, E.
Howe of Aberavon, L.
Howe of Idlicote, B.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howells of St. Davids, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Chesterton, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hylton, L.
Inglewood, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L.
Jacobs, L.
James of Blackheath, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Ewelme, L.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Joffe, L.
Jones of Cheltenham, L.
Jones of Whitchurch, B.
Jopling, L.
Jordan, L.
Judd, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kerr of Kinlochard, L.
King of West Bromwich, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kingsmill, B.
Kirkhill, L.
Krebs, L.
Laing of Dunphail, L.
Laird, L.
Lamont of Lerwick, L.
Lang of Monkton, L.
Lawson of Blaby, L.
Layard, L.
Lea of Crondall, L.
Leach of Fairford, L.
Lewis of Newnham, L.
Lindsay, E.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Lipsey, L.
Listowel, E.
Livsey of Talgarth, L.
Lloyd of Berwick, L.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Low of Dalston, L.
Lucas, L.
Ludford, B.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
Lyell of Markyate, L.
McCluskey, L.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
MacGregor of Pulham Market, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
Mackay of Clashfern, L.
MacKenzie of Culkein, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
McKenzie of Luton, L.
Maclennan of Rogart, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Maginnis of Drumglass, L.
Mancroft, L.
Mandelson, L.
Mar, C.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Massey of Darwen, B.
Mawhinney, L.
Mawson, L.
Maxton, L.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Meacher, B.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Moonie, L.
Morgan of Drefelin, B.
Morris of Aberavon, L.
Morris of Bolton, B.
Morris of Handsworth, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Morris of Yardley, B.
Morrow, L.
Moser, L.
Moynihan, L.
Naseby, L.
Neville-Jones, B.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Noakes, B.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
Northover, B.
Norton of Louth, L.
Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L.
O’Cathain, B.
O’Neill of Bengarve, B.
O’Neill of Clackmannan, L.
Onslow, E.
Ouseley, L.
Palmer, L.
Parekh, L.
Patel, L.
Patel of Blackburn, L.
Patel of Bradford, L.
Patten, L.
Paul, L.
Pendry, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Peston, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prosser, B.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Quin, B.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Ramsbotham, L.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.

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Rees of Ludlow, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Rennard, L.
Richard, L.
Richardson of Calow, B.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Roberts of Llandudno, L.
Rogan, L.
Rooker, L.
Roper, L.
Rosser, L.
Rosslyn, E.
Rowlands, L.
Royall of Blaisdon, B.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St John of Fawsley, L.
Sandberg, L.
Sanderson of Bowden, L.
Sandwich, E.
Sawyer, L.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Scott of Needham Market, B.
Seccombe, B.
Selborne, E.
Selsdon, L.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Sharples, B.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Sheikh, L.
Sheldon, L.
Shephard of Northwold, B.
Simon, V.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Slim, V.
Slynn of Hadley, L.
Smith of Finsbury, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Snape, L.
Soley, L.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Southwark, Bp.
Stair, E.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stern, B.
Stewartby, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Sutherland of Houndwood, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Tanlaw, L.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Bolton, B.
Taylor of Holbeach, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Temple-Morris, L.
Teverson, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomas of Winchester, B.
Thornton, B.
Tomlinson, L.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trenchard, V.
Trimble, L.
Truscott, L.
Tugendhat, L.
Turnbull, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Turner of Ecchinswell, L.
Uddin, B.
Ullswater, V.
Vadera, B.
Valentine, B.
Verma, B.
Wakeham, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Wallace of Tankerness, L.
Walmsley, B.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warnock, B.
Warsi, B.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Whitaker, B.
Whitty, L.
Wilcox, B.
Wilkins, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williamson of Horton, L.
Wilson of Tillyorn, L.
Woolmer of Leeds, L.

Prayers were read by the Lord Bishop of Southwark.

1    Lord Carter of Barnes Stephen Andrew Carter, Esquire, CBE, having been created Baron Carter of Barnes, of Barnes in the London Borough of Richmond upon Thames, for life by Letters Patent dated 15 October 2008, was introduced between Lord Currie of Marylebone and Lord Puttnam, and took and subscribed the oath. (See Appendix)

Select Committee Report

2    European Union Committee
The following Report from the Select Committee was made and ordered to be printed:

The EU’s Target for Renewable Energy: 20% by 2020. (27th Report, HL Paper 175)

Public Business

3    European Union: Georgia and Ukraine A question was asked by Lord Dykes and answered by Lord Bach.

4    Walking and cycling A question was asked by Lord Krebs and answered by Lord Adonis.

5    Finance: short selling A question was asked by Lord Hoyle and answered by Lord Davies of Oldham.

6    Children: physical punishment A question was asked by Baroness Walmsley and answered by Baroness Morgan of Drefelin.

7    Consolidated Fund (Appropriation) (No. 3) Bill Lord Davies of Oldham moved that the bill be now read a second time. The motion was agreed to and the Committee was negatived. Then, Standing Order 47 having been dispensed with, the bill was read a third time and passed.

8    Planning Bill The bill was further considered in Committee, beginning with amendment 168A. Amendments were agreed to. The debate on amendment 176 was adjourned. The House resumed.

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9    Department of Energy and Climate Change Lord Hunt of Kings Heath repeated a ministerial statement made in the House of Commons.

10    Enterprise Act 2002 (Specification of Additional Section 58 Consideration) Order 2008 Lord Mandelson moved that the Order laid before the House on 7 October be approved (SI 2008/2645). After debate, the motion was agreed to.

11    Planning Bill The bill was further considered in Committee, beginning with the resumed debate on amendment 176. Amendments were agreed to. The House resumed after clause 110 stood part.

12    Royal Assent The Deputy Speaker (Viscount Simon) notified the Queen’s Assent to the following Acts:

Appropriation (No. 3) Act     c. 19

Health and Safety (Offences) Act     c. 20

The House adjourned at 7.23pm until 2.30pm on Monday 20 October.

Papers

All statutory instruments laid before the House are accompanied by an Explanatory Memorandum presented by command of Her Majesty, unless otherwise indicated.

Affirmative Instrument

The following instrument was laid before the House for approval by resolution:

Draft Medical Profession (Miscellaneous Amendments) Order 2008, laid under the Health Act 1999.

Negative Instruments

The following instruments were laid before the House:

1    European Communities (Designation) (No. 3) Order 2008, laid under the European Communities Act 1972.     (2564)

2    Agricultural Holdings (Units of Production) (England) Order 2008, laid under the Agricultural Holdings Act 1986.     (2708)

Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings

The following papers were laid before the House:

1    Fourth Report on the Secretary of State’s functions under the Communications Act 2003, laid under that Act.

2    Report of Criminal Justice Inspection Northern Ireland on Anti-Social Behaviour Orders, laid under the Justice (Northern Ireland) Act 2002.

Judicial Business

1    Crown Prosecution Service (Respondents) v Jennings (Appellant) Further to the Order of the House of Wednesday 14 May 2008 (39th Report, Session 2007-08; [2008] UKHL 29) it is ordered that there be no order for costs save that the costs of the appellant in this House be taxed in accordance with the Access to Justice Act 1999.

2    Transfield Shipping Inc (Appellants) v Mercator Shipping Inc (Respondents) Further to the Order of the House of Wednesday 9 July 2008 (58th Report, Session 2007-08; [2008] UKHL 48) it is ordered that the respondents do pay or cause to be paid to the appellants their costs of the appeal

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to this House, the amount of such costs to be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties; that there be no Order for costs in Her Majesty’s Court of Appeal and in the Commercial Court of the Queen’s Bench Division of Her Majesty’s High Court of Justice; and that the question of the costs arising from the arbitrations be remitted to the Arbitrators.

3    Mpofu (AP) (Appellant) v Secretary of State for the Home Department (Respondent) (Scotland) The appeal of Dorothy Mpofu was presented and it was ordered that in accordance with Standing Order VI the statement and appendix thereto be lodged on or before 27 November (lodged 7 October).

4    Appeal Committee The 109th Report from the Appeal Committee was agreed to and the following Order was made:

MD (Guinea) (FC) (Petitioner) v Secretary of State for the Home Department (Respondent) That leave to appeal be refused; that the costs of the petitioner be taxed in accordance with the Access to Justice Act 1999; that the respondent be at liberty to apply for her costs in accordance with direction 5.1(c); and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.

5    Appeal Committee The 110th Report from the Appeal Committee was agreed to and the following Order was made:

Holmes-Moorhouse (FC) (Original Respondent and Cross-petitioner) v London Borough of Richmond upon Thames (Original Appellants and Cross-respondents) That leave to cross-appeal be given; and that the petition of cross-appeal be lodged by 30 October.

APPENDIX

ELIZABETH THE SECOND by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms and Territories Queen Head of the Commonwealth Defender of the Faith To all Lords Spiritual and Temporal and all other Our Subjects whatsoever to whom these Presents shall come Greeting Know Ye that We of Our especial grace certain knowledge and mere motion in pursuance of the Life Peerages Act 1958 and of all other powers in that behalf Us enabling do by these Presents advance create and prefer Our trusty and well beloved Stephen Andrew Carter Esquire Commander of Our Most Excellent Order of the British Empire to the state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Carter of Barnes of Barnes in Our London Borough of Camden

And for Us Our heirs and successors do appoint give and grant unto him the said name state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Carter of Barnes to have and to hold unto him for his life

Willing and by these Presents granting for Us Our heirs and successors that he may have hold and possess a seat place and voice in the Parliaments and Public Assemblies and Councils of Us Our heirs and successors within Our United Kingdom amongst the Barons And also that he may enjoy and use all the rights privileges pre-eminences immunities and advantages to the degree of a Baron duly and of right belonging which Barons of Our United Kingdom have heretofore used and enjoyed or as they do at present use and enjoy

In Witness whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent Witness Ourself at Westminster the fifteenth day of October in the fifty-seventh year of Our Reign

BY WARRANT UNDER THE QUEEN’S SIGN MANUAL