Select Committee on the Crossrail Bill Minutes of Evidence

Examination of Witnesses (Questions 5080 - 5099)

  5080. BARONESS FOOKES: This was one of the points that was made by the professor yesterday. He explained in considerable detail what had been done so far, what was proposed to be done and how it all fitted into the scheme.

  5081. CHAIRMAN: You do not know about that, do you?

  5082. DR PEDRETTI: I do not know what he said yesterday.

  5083. CHAIRMAN: You can look it up in the transcript. You might be interested. I do not think we can take this any further.

  5084. DR PEDRETTI: Mr Berryman, since he is here, suggested on Tuesday that there were no such things as timber-framed buildings in Spitalfields. All I can say from my experience, having worked on one for the last 30 years, is that what makes those buildings in Spitalfields special is that they are precisely on a paradigm shift, as we would say in science, between thinking of buildings as frames and thinking of buildings as masonry structures. All the roof structures are done in the methodology and the thinking of timber-framed buildings and the brickwork is done starting to have confidence in brickwork, and whenever they lose confidence—guess what?—they put a buried timber in. So we have assertions that are being made; it may be that Dr Mair corrected these assertions afterwards but—

  5085. CHAIRMAN: I do not think any such assertion was made but you have now explained what you mean. The fact of the matter is that this could have been explored with Professor Mair. The message must get through to the Spitalfields community that if you want to get this Committee to help you in any respect you have got to come and tell us. It is as simple as that. We cannot make it up ourselves. Could I ask you to pass the word around that, when the opportunity occurs, people ought to come. It is not unreasonable, you know.

  5086. DR PEDRETTI: No.

  5087. CHAIRMAN: All right?

  5088. DR PEDRETTI: I will try my best.

  5089. CHAIRMAN: You see what you can do. Where were we?

  5090. MS JORDAN: I raised two points about the traffic which we are still concerned about, but I will not go over that.

  5091. CHAIRMAN: If it is two points, are there two questions?

  5092. MS JORDAN: There are two questions. One is whether there would be anything done about traffic turning north into the area through the very narrow street, whether there would be any traffic management proposals there. Are we absolutely sure that lorries can turn into Vallance Road from Buxton Street because we do not believe they can. We think it is too tight a road junction. I have one question about Whitechapel Station to ask Mr Berryman. I would like to ask Mr Berryman if there had ever been a study done of the station alignment parallel with Whitechapel.

  5093. CHAIRMAN: Let us deal with these one at a time, shall we? First of all, shall we deal with the dimensions of the road.

  5094. MS JORDAN: Yes. Sorry.

  5095. CHAIRMAN: I think Mr Berryman has explained it once already but let him do it again.
  (Mr Berryman) There are two questions here which the Petitioner has mentioned. First, the right turn from Greatorex Street, and, secondly, the turning from Buxton Street down into Vallance Road. As the Petitioner says, this road is very narrow. In fact it is artificially narrowed by the positioning of some bollards along one edge of it. The turn here will be a difficult one, it is true, but I think we have satisfied ourselves and the local authority that it can be made. At this point there is also an issue about the lorries turning right around the corner. We have done a swept-path analysis of this, using a computerised system which shows how a lorry goes around the corner, and we are confident that the kind of vehicles we would be using for this can get around there, subject only to banning parking on this side of the street. That is something we will have to do in co-operation with the local authority. I must say to the Petitioner that if we cannot get lorries around here and we have made a mistake, we are in big trouble, not them.

  5096. LORD YOUNG OF NORWOOD GREEN: You are going to check it again?

   (Mr Berryman) I will dig out the analysis that has been done.

  5097. Is the swept-path analysis a scale analysis?

   (Mr Berryman) Yes, my Lord. It is a computerised programme that draws a lorry in different positions and goes around the corner. You will have seen them, no doubt, in other matters. We will produce one to show you, my Lord.

  5098. BARONESS FOOKES: Mr Berryman, I am a simple soul. Has anyone sent a lorry of the size required around that corner in practice?

   (Mr Berryman) I do not know. There is a slight problem in that this road is blocked off at the moment.

  5099. MS JORDAN: Mr Berryman, that is not true. You can get a lorry down it. I say this because the SSBA does manage a lot of property in this area and my office is way down. We have skips coming into this area quite often and we have to use a particular size of skip, because, when they are coming out of the area, they cannot get around that corner—and I know the spoil lorries are in fact a larger carriage base than our skip lorries. I did in fact attempt to hire a lorry—and I am still prepared to do that if I can get one that is not busy on other sites—to show Mr Berryman that it is not possible to get your lorries around that corner. I think this is a major problem.

   (Mr Berryman) All I can do is reiterate that we have discussed it at length with the local authority. We have done the analysis that we can do of that and we remain confident that that can be accommodated.

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