Select Committee on the Crossrail Bill Minutes of Evidence

Examination of Witnesses (Questions 10740 - 10759)

  10740. So the concern is that dust might be lingering from the previous day's construction at the Lindsey Street worksite?
  (Mr Lawrence) Possibly.

  10741. But I think my point is right, that on basis of the hours you have given and our hours, there will on the face of it be an hour's overlap, between eight and nine in the morning?
  (Mr Lawrence) And you are saying they start at eight o'clock?

  10742. The core construction activities are intended to start at eight o'clock.
  (Mr Lawrence) What about the deliveries?

  10743. That would be the same.
  (Mr Lawrence) Well, that would be the case but it would not overlap for one hour, it would overlap for two or three hours, and some of the tenants which I did discuss earlier on do not finish until ten/eleven o'clock anyway.

  10744. Just to complete the point, I am concerned with core construction activities because those are the activities that are going to generate dust, do you see the point?
  (Mr Lawrence) Yes, I do.

  10745. And insofar as that is concerned, on the face of it, we are talking about an overlap of an hour a day, between eight and nine in the morning?
  (Mr Lawrence) No. There may be some deliveries that come in at eight, nine, ten o'clock, half past ten, eleven o'clock.

  10746. Deliveries of meat?
  (Mr Lawrence) Yes.

  10747. But that is relatively unusual?
  (Mr Lawrence) Not at all. I should think you could go around Smithfield Market any time at seven/eight o'clock and there would be a container or two or three ready to be unloaded, and they may not be up loaded until ten or half past ten in the morning.

  10748. It is obviously more complicated than I thought.
  (Mr Lawrence) Yes, it is.

  10749. LORD YOUNG OF NORWOOD GREEN: I would like to clarify that because I was particularly concerned about that. As I understood you, you said in reply to my question that the bulk of your business, 90 per cent, you agreed with me, finished at nine o'clock, and then you went on to say that there are some boxed meat people who continue trading until about ten or eleven o'clock?
  (Mr Lawrence) Yes.

  10750. But are you now modifying that assessment and saying carcass delivery goes on until —
  (Mr Lawrence) No. I am sorry if I did not make myself clear. You have one particular supplier from Scotland who would very rarely unload before ten o'clock in the morning anyway, very rarely. But there is a 10 per cent—two or three containers get unloaded after the time I did say.

  10751. So that is carcass you refer to, and that is within that 10 per cent?
  (Mr Lawrence) Yes.

  10752. And then that includes the box trading afterwards?
  (Mr Lawrence) That is correct, yes.

  10753. BARONESS FOOKES: And I think that point was made by the previous witness as well, if I recall, that everything did not stop dead.
  (Mr Lawrence) If I could just add, because it may be of some interest, the market hours officially are until midday anyway. Officially.

  10754. LORD BROOKE OF ALVETHORPE: As this is a relatively small number that run into normal working hours of the day, would be the best way of describing it —- would there be any basis on which, for example, the people coming from Scotland could be asked and appropriately compensated for coming earlier?
  (Mr Lawrence) It does not work that way, my Lord, because it may not suit the tenants. Certain tenants have not got enough room to have that extra container in overnight; they have to wait until they cut their meat, pack it, and about eight, nine or ten o'clock they get another container in ready for that evening —

  10755. It is volume?
  (Mr Lawrence) Yes.

  10756. LORD YOUNG OF NORWOOD GREEN: It sounds like just-in-time delivery!

  10757. CHAIRMAN: What is going on in relation to carcass meat about nine o'clock in the morning? Some of it is being unloaded from containers who come from Scotland, is it?
  (Mr Lawrence) I just used Scotland as an example, that is a regular one, but you may have a container from Devon, even Ireland.

  10758. But they are being unloaded from incoming containers and being put into the stores or whatever?
  (Mr Lawrence) Tenants' premises, yes.

  10759. And all that time the inspectors are buzzing around, are they?
  (Mr Lawrence) Yes, they are.

Re-examined by MR DINGEMANS

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