Examination of Witnesses (Questions 12620
- 12639)
12620. MR PAYNE: It is JP2?
(Mr Berryman)
These dimensions, my Lord, are taken from the 1992 scheme which
was proposed as a Private Member's Bill, which I think from recollection
was sponsored by British Rail and London Underground Limited.
The fact that in plan our alignment is very similar is not relevant
because in cross-section the alignment is very different, we are
going much deeper than they were wanting to go.
12621. BARONESS FOOKES: I think you said
that in that scheme in 1992 Crossrail went above the Central Line
and this goes below.
(Mr Berryman)
That is correct, my Lady.
12622. MR PAYNE: This is off the same
set of plans and drawings where Crossrail was going under the
Central Line.
(Mr Berryman)
I am sorry, Mr Payne, if the Crossrail tunnels were 14 metres
below the ground level as you have drawn them there, they could
not go under the Central Line because the Central Line is too
deep. We are talking about surveying facts; we are not talking
about matters of opinion as to where things could go. We are talking
about levels, dimensions and co-ordinates. I am sorry there is
just nothing that we can argue about because there is no doubt
about the matter.
12623. There is one other plan which does show
you exactly what I am saying which is part of the bundle from
Mott MacDonald which has not been superimposed on by myself.[33]
(Mr Berryman) That is correct.
12624. And that is what we are working on and
that drawing goes with this one.
(Mr Berryman) Your house is about here,
I think, (indicating)
12625. I think it is between the two little
dips on the left-hand side.
(Mr Berryman) According to my cross-section
here, it is not scaled so it is around there somewhere (indicating).
12626. It is between the two little channels.
(Mr Berryman) You can see the level of
the track at that point on our data, which is 100 metres below
ODE, it is about 92, and your cellar is 121.27. That makes it,
to my reckoning, 29 metres' difference, so I am sorry your diagram
here agrees exactly with the information I have just given to
the Committee, and here you can see the Central Line and the old
middle level sewer, middle level sewer number one as it is probably
called, and our tunnels go underneath that. You can see that on
your own section.
12627. As far as I am aware, even in 1994 the
tunnels have always been going underneath the Central Line.
(Mr Berryman) No, the tunnels went above
the Central Line in the 1994 scheme. I have got a colleague in
the room who actually worked on this scheme and I have just checked
with them before I sat down.
12628. MR PAYNE: This is attached to
the bundle with a letter from you saying this is 1994.
12629. MR MOULD: My Lord, I am very conscious
of the time and I think the point is really as simple as this:
as Mr Berryman has explained, we have checked the parliamentary
plans and sections and they set out the depth, subject to limits
of deviation, at which the tunnels must run if powers are granted
by this Bill beneath this part of London, and on the basis of
that we simply will not be empowered to drive a railway above
the Central Line.
12630. MR PAYNE: I am not asking that
you do that. I am just challenging—
12631. CHAIRMAN: It is not going to happen.
12632. MR PAYNE: I know; that is good
news.
12633. CHAIRMAN: So the figures Mr Berryman
has given are unchallenged, are they?
12634. MR PAYNE: He has produced some
new drawings.
(Mr Berryman)
My Lord, I am referring to the parliamentary sections which were
deposited with this House some three years ago.
12635. CHAIRMAN: Relating to work 113?
(Mr Berryman)
-13A, my Lord.
12636. CHAIRMAN: That is what the Bill
provides for, that is what it permits. Any more questions for
Mr Berryman?
12637. MR PAYNE: No more.
12638. CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much.
The witness withdrew
12639. CHAIRMAN: Do you want to call
Mr Thornely-Taylor about noise?
33 Crossrail Ref: P79, Cross section of Crossrail
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